The Sun Came Up

Well it’s Wednesday, I still have no Internet and Obama is still President. So nothing’s changed.

It will be interesting over the coming days when the final data comes out to see where/how Obama did well and where/how Romney fell short.  The states I will be sifting through are Florida, Virginia and Colorado.  Each of those seemed to be trending away from Obama with enough room that the race ends in Ohio. Right now it looks like had Romney gotten as many Ohio votes as McCain he would have won.  Just incredible when you think about it.  It will take days (weeks?) to get reasonably accurate data so I’m going to refrain from too much campaign criticism at this juncture until I have time to dig into the numbers but between the apparent Romney prevent defense in a race they weren’t winning and Chris Christie’s over-the-top embrace of Obama down the stretch changing the narrative for Obama Republicans have to look at this race as one they let slip away.

Like I wrote last night, you have to give full marks to the Obama ground game.  They got enough of their people to vote to eek out wins in those above states by ~100k in each state — not that close in a race with billions available for the GOP to have done a better job finding and motivating their base. We know they are out there but either they didn’t show up or they didn’t pull the lever for Romney and that is a big problem. The only state Gary Johnson would have made a difference was Florida so it’s not a third party issue.  A lot of soul searching is in order.

The debacle for Republicans extends far beyond the Presidency.  In each one of the Battlegrounds Mitt Romney received little to no help from down ballot candidates.  For every honorable Senate candidate who went down in defeat (Josh Mandel or Tom Smith) Republicans fielded a party-insider retread the likes of whom the base has been rejecting every chance they can since 2010.  Is should be no surprise Tommy Thompson, George Allen or Connie Mack lost. Each of these politicians represent the failed Republican politics that galvanized the Tea Party in the first place.  The movement may have come together around Obama’s big government but it was frustration with Republican spending that drove them to that point.  Offering the public a replay of these failed politicians leaves the party exactly where they find themselves, out of power and in the minority.  By the way, has any party leader been worse than National Republican Senatorial Committee head John Cornyn?  He has failed more miserably between 2010 and 2012 than any party leader imaginable. Close scrutiny of his record reveals every Senate success is someone he didn’t recruit and his embarrassing failures only grow in number.

Which brings us to Todd Akin and Richard Murdouck. This blog doesn’t deal with social issues but talk about a wing of the party that needs soul searching…Each of these morons cut their noses off to spite their face. If you believe in the cause look what you did.  Each of you went a long way towards enabling Barack Obama to appoint more extrajudicial Supreme Court Justices like Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor who will make up law to further their left-wing ideology. Congrats. Todd Akin’s comments were disqualifying and only those who buried their head in the sand couldn’t see that.  The Mike Huckbees and similar who rallied to Akin’s defense share equal blame in that abortion of a campaign.

I’ve seen comments from people I respect like Glenn Reynolds saying,”If Obama wins, I’ll be as gracious and generous as the Democrats were in 2000 and 2004.”  I disagree. I know Glenn was only emoting in the moment, but never play down to their level. Republicans lost because they failed to harness the energy from 2010 and coalesce that into a national message for 2012.  Mitt Romney was the best of a very bad lot of Republican choices. He is an honorable and decent man but deeply flawed as a representative of the Tea Party energy and the desperate need for smaller government and entitlement reform. Republicans still control ~60% of the governorships and the reforms being enacted at those levels lay the blueprint for the coming reforms at the Federal level. That’s not a prediction.  We as a country either choose reform or reform chooses us in the form of austerity cuts. A reform Governor will be needed to fix this country in 2016 so that is what we have to look forward to.

We lost the battle yesterday but the war goes on.

I am Breitbart.


  1. Kevin Paradine
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:24 am | Permalink | Reply

    Sorry, Keith. Waiting for a Katrina, here.

  2. jeff
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:25 am | Permalink | Reply

    Total shock and miscalculation. Now I know why Romney went to PA the last minute. It was in fact desperation They knew Ohio and Virginia wete lost. Even Kerry had massive crowds in 2004. All I can say begrudgenly is that Axlerod and company ran circles around the Romney campaign. Absolutely brilliant perfermance. Like it or not Chris Christie is probably our best shot in 2016. The age of the rich aristocratic blue blood white Republican presidential candidate is over. RIP Ametica ad weve known it.


    • stuckinmass
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:35 am | Permalink | Reply

      No I still don’t believe it was desparation.

      The Romney campaign really did seem to think they were winning. The Obama camp acted like they were losing.
      My Dem friends were in a total panic last night thinking they were going to lose.

      • jeff
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:43 am | Permalink

        Maybe but no candidate continues to campaign until election day unless they know their behindn Also Romney kept gping back to FL and VA states he shouldve locked up indicating to me that they were quite concerned about those states. It just appears they put a very brave face but knew at leady over the weekend that things were breaking for Obama.

    • Porchlight
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:50 am | Permalink | Reply

      No, I don’t believe it was desperation. I think they believed they were winning and I think they were right, until last week. Sandy changed the momentum and Obama clawed back. For some reason a couple of photo ops of a President doing his job for a change appeared to make a difference. That’s the electorate we have, folks.

    • David
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 2:40 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Jeff, I told several people early yesterday that I honestly believed that each side was confident they had won, and I still believe that. That was of particular concern to me because I feared that if both campaigns really believed they had won, the more experienced campaign staff of Obama’s probably had more reason to be reading it right. What I feared was in fact true in the end.

  3. stuckinmass
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:39 am | Permalink | Reply

    “We as a country either choose reform and reform chooses us in the form of austerity cuts.”

    That’s the argument I’ve been pushing on people who worried about what they might cut
    If you don’t vote for a little cuts now, then you are voting for severe cuts later!

  4. Chris
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:41 am | Permalink | Reply

    Romney’s loss is tough to swallow, but the bottom line is they got their people out and the GOP didn’t. End of story.

    The Senate is where the disaster really took shape, though. The NRSC did a horrific job, chasing races in ME and CT instead of focusing on shoring up races in states Romney was likely to win or even be close in. I cannot wrap my brain around the fact that the GOP looks to have LOST races in both Montana and North Dakota. And, of course, let’s not forget tossing away other gimme seats in MO and IN…Romney won all four states pretty easily, yet the GOP candidates in each ran well behind him. Absolutely brutal. What a horrible bunch of candidates and a horrendous campaign to support them. We’ve easily flushed away at least 7 Senate seats in the past two years …what a disaster.

    • Porchlight
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:10 am | Permalink | Reply

      I think they thought that Romney would have coattails that would take care of those races. Evidently not. I’m still processing it, but I don’t know if I can fault the NRSC for not pouring tons of money into Senate races in bright red states.

    • Eli
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:37 am | Permalink | Reply

      You are right about flushing away senate seats, but let’s NOT forget that we lost those seats not only by nominating retreads but ALSO by the Tea Party getting rid of sure wins (Mike Castle, Richard Lugar) and/or nominating people who make us look foolish. I am sorry, but I am kind of sick of seeing Dem politicians who can hold their own in logical debate vs Republicans whose legolative votes I might like but who sound like they really believe a lot of hooey.
      Even some on our side who seemed to have bright futures, frankly, don’t (at least in politics — se Allan West).

      • Eli
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:39 am | Permalink

        to clarify — Allan West is NOT one of those who I woudl classify as believing in hooey. I agree with 95% of what he says and I think he articulates it clearly. HIS loss is upsetting to me —- he seems awesome, but can’t win in his district.

  5. Michel Daoud
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:42 am | Permalink | Reply

    Forget Christie. Given the changing demographics, we need to nominate Marco Rubio in 2016.

    • AndyN
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:45 am | Permalink | Reply

      1000% Rubio 2016…Christie has disqualified himself with the brief but damaging ‘bromance” with Obama.

    • jeff
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:46 am | Permalink | Reply

      I like Rubio but I just dont think he hsd the gravitas to be a winning presidential candidate. He like Ryan look like your typical college frat boy for gods sake.

      • Porchlight
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:51 am | Permalink

        Rubio needs to actually do some stuff before he can be taken seriously as a candidate. No more first-term Senators, please.

    • edtitan77
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 2:09 pm | Permalink | Reply

      He will get creamed by Booker in the NJ gubenatorial, Christie is done. It’ll be Rubio, Ryan and McDonnell with an early edge to Rubio.

  6. Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:43 am | Permalink | Reply

    The best headline I read that captures how closed the GOP mindset was right before the election was Rush Limbaugh’s’ “Everything, except the polls, point to a Romney landslide”. This was delusion at its finest. Polls are everything if you just read them correctly!

    I hope GOPers don’t blame Sandy or Christie. Obama’s win was predicted months ago by polls, ahead of the conventions, ahead of the debates.

    • Kardinal11
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:46 am | Permalink | Reply

      Right or wrong i think Christie is finished within the party. He should just pull a Spector at this point. I dont agree with ostracizing him but that is what will happen.

    • Porchlight
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:16 am | Permalink | Reply

      I don’t think so. Romney clearly pulled ahead in October after the first debate. He just couldn’t sustain it.

      There was reason not to believe the polls. They weren’t internally coherent. The vast majority of them had Romney winning big with indies (despite the toplines). The majority had the economy as the top issue and Romney winning that issue. Yet the toplines showed Obama. When the polls are internally inconsistent, you look for consistency, and Romney was consistently winning on what seemed to be core issues and with a large group of voters that has historically swung elections in the modern era.

      • Posted November 7, 2012 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

        they were internally coherent. GOPers just couldn’t accept it.

  7. Kardinal11
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:43 am | Permalink | Reply

    The Tea Party grew organically with people annoyed with the continuing growth of government and out of control spending. It has now been coopted by the Akins and Murdouchs of the world into a hard right social platform. When will the party learn that its pandering to evangelicals and the social right doom it to these outcomes. Its not 2004. The electorate has in fact changed and the chance to change with it and become relevant again is slipping away

    • stuckinmass
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:46 am | Permalink | Reply

      if the tea party is a grass roots movement, how did it end up like that? Why didn’t the members keep it pure “we are only about fiscal issues”

      • Kardinal11
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:56 am | Permalink

        Because the standard bearers sold out for a chance at the national spotlight.

    • Porchlight
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:00 am | Permalink | Reply

      What you are missing is that many if not most fiscal conservatives are also social conservatives. The Tea Party is a true grassroots movement and you won’t be able to keep it that way and also purge the social conservatives for whom you have such disdain. They are highly motivated particpants and the backbone of the movement.

      • Blue Dog Dem
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:20 am | Permalink

        This is why I say the reason Mitt lost wasn’t that he wasn’t Tea Party enough. Going all gung ho Tea Party-style at the presidential level would only have meant losing by an even greater margin.

      • Porchlight
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

        Yes, I don’t know if going Tea Party would have helped. But I think we’re still sorting through the rubble to find out why the base stayed home compared to ’08. It was literally the LAST thing I would have expected. Just don’t know yet.

    • Blue Dog Dem
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:07 am | Permalink | Reply


  8. stuckinmass
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:45 am | Permalink | Reply

    It also shows that as much as we hate negative campaigning, it works!

    • Kardinal11
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:48 am | Permalink | Reply

      Yep. The great uniter ran a Bush style smear campaign to perfection. Welcome to Obamas post partisan america. A nation more divided then ever before. Racial fires stoked. Class warfare in full swing. That my friends is what Hope has become.

    • bks
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:00 am | Permalink | Reply

      I still can’t figure out why Romney didn’t close the Swiss bank account and release his tax returns.


      • Marshmallow Candidate
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:11 am | Permalink

        Because he would have incurred lots of taxes if he moved it to the US.

        Same reason most big corporations sit on their cash and leave it outside the US. They are waiting for a tax holiday.

      • Porchlight
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:17 am | Permalink

        Dems didn’t care about any of that when it was Kerry on the ticket. Just evidence of their hypocrisy.

  9. indydoug
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:47 am | Permalink | Reply

    Chris Christie will NEVER obtain the R nomination, but maybe the D’s will have him. He sure gave O a boost when he needed it. Last day deciders broke heavily for O. Christie’s slobbering lovefest with O played a part in that, IMO.

    • Porchlight
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:52 am | Permalink | Reply

      I think so, too. I can’t believe it but it appears to have been the case. Hurricane Sandy will turn out to have been the costliest storm in history by a factor of 10.

      • indydoug
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:57 am | Permalink

        10 may be a low factor when you consider O’care and its costs. By the way, if the R’s can’t turn out more voters than they did for McCain 4 yrs. ago, how do we EVER win another Pres. election. The country’s makeup is getting browner and thus more D. McCain did better with Hispanics than Romney !!

      • Porchlight
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:01 am | Permalink

        You’re right, 10 is too low. How do you put a price on the United States of America?

      • bks
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:03 am | Permalink

        Sandy had nothing to do with it. Obama was always in the lead. The proportions of Obama’s victory were predicted in early August by Sam Wang and Drew Linzer:


  10. hmderek
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:47 am | Permalink | Reply

    I think the logic which was entertained on this blog about the underlying data in polls regarding independents, Republican turnout, etc. was sound. It was backed up by trends in early voting and a general impression of the flow of the campaigns.

    What we will have to see in the coming days, weeks, is where the data from polling was unable to capture what was actually happening. Was it completely wrong or only marginally? CNN exit polls suggest late deciders went for Obama with significant margins. That could account for part of the discrepancy?

    • John
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:01 am | Permalink | Reply

      No, the underlying logic was dead wrong. Almost 15,000,000 FEWER voted compared to four years ago. Obama didn’t get as many votes as McCain for God sake. D+ advantage about 1 point less than 2008. Republicans did NOT go the polls as expected which was the primary basis of all discussions on this blog. It didn’t happen, end of story.

      • hmderek
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:04 am | Permalink

        Which is why I say the logic was right, the numbers were wrong.

      • Porchlight
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:19 am | Permalink

        Yes, it didn’t happen. Any idea why? Was it just because Romney wasn’t appealing enough? I wish I knew who stayed home. I really doubt it was mostly evangelicals who didn’t like Romney’s Mormonism.

  11. bks
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:48 am | Permalink | Reply

    Rasmussen was among the worst pollsters this cycle: Wisconsin – Missed by 7 points, Colorado – Missed by 7 points, Iowa – Missed by 7 points, Virginia – Missed by 5 points, Ohio – Missed by 2 points. Gallup picked the wrong candidate to win a majority of the popular vote. Something to keep in mind.


    • Michel Daoud
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:56 am | Permalink | Reply

      Well right before the election Bill O’Reilly said he was going to hammer the pollsters that had this race wrong. I’d be interested to see his exchange with Scott Rasmussen, considering how close they seem to be.

  12. stuckinmass
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:55 am | Permalink | Reply

    Let’s make the best of this. Let’s get decent candidates for Congress and the Senate. Remember in the 90s Clinton was never interested in balancing the budget. He just wanted some deficit reduction. Republicans took over congress and forced him to agree to a balanced budget. He fought back.. said it would cause too much pain. Eventually he gave in. Of course now he gets all the credit for balancing the budget. And the economy helped balance it faster than everyone expected.

    Still though, it shows what can be done

    • Kardinal11
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:02 am | Permalink | Reply

      Different times my friend. The Bush and Obama years have made partisan hatred the order of the day. Obama has divided the nation along racial and socioeconomic lines like never before.

      • stuckinmass
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:05 am | Permalink

        There was plenty of partisan hatred and polarization in the 90s too, that’s when it all started, as the internet was going mainstream

      • Kardinal11
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:09 am | Permalink

        I agree but there were still some old schoofl politicians left who actually wanted to work for the good of the country. Those people are gone now.

  13. ShockandAwe
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:55 am | Permalink | Reply

    So Romney gets 3 million votes less than McCain got in 2008. Had he matched McCains total, he would have won the popular vote. And think about this. For all the crap Palin took in 2008, how many of those McCain votes was she responsible for? Perhaps Romney fell short with some working class whites, the voter bloc that was right in Palin’s wheelhouse.

    • edtitan77
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:05 am | Permalink | Reply

      That’s probably closer to the truth but that’s not the lesson to be learned. It will be changing demos blah blah blah.

      So the White working class is about to get 20 million more legal competitors for their jobs. I hope detesting Mitts wealth is worth it to them.

    • indydoug
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:06 am | Permalink | Reply

      the dropoff from 2008 in R voters is more shocking to me than the result. Perhaps Palin was a factor in that. It sure wasn’t Mccain.

      • Porchlight
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:20 am | Permalink

        I always thought that Palin saved McCain from a much bigger loss. This would tend to bear that out.

      • William Jefferson Jr.
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

        Palin may indeed have been the difference. Repubs are worried about people like her because she is so divisive, yet the Democrats managed to work up a good froth of hatred towards Romney anyways, even though he was a New England moderate.

      • Porchlight
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

        That’s why I wonder if it even helps to go moderate on social issues. Romney seems like about the most mild-mannered sort of Republican one can be, and yet he was still painted as the absolute rightwing Satan by Dems. I think his debate performance won over some sane Dems but not enough.

    • C-Bus GOP
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 1:14 pm | Permalink | Reply

      I agree

  14. No Tribe
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:57 am | Permalink | Reply

    The last week, it slipped away. Sandy is just a storm. The President played it perfectly though, to reset and rebound just enough.

    The moderate Republicans had the last laugh. Christie, Bloomberg & Powell. Those 3 hugs/endorsements played a huge role in making that last weeks swing of 4% happen.

    PPP wound up being right on. They had Romney up 2% into Sandy, and they called the final, Obama up 2% right on the money.

    Nate Silver changed FL to Obama the morning of the election. 50/50 & insufferable for years to come 🙂

    But, had Sandy not happened, had the Three not endorsed Obama, Romney would have won. He would have.

    • Porchlight
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:03 am | Permalink | Reply

      If American voters can be convinced by a lame response to a hurricane and three RINO endorsements, then we are well and truly screwed.

      • indydoug
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:10 am | Permalink

        Well said about the intelligence of the American voter and our outlook.

      • KevinC.
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:30 am | Permalink

        But the American people don’t believe it was a lame response. Thanks to Christie and the media slobberfest they believe it is possibly one of the best responses ever to a hurricane.

      • Eli
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

        AGREED. WE had our ideas wonk ON THE TICKET, and we couldn;t move the country…

  15. edtitan77
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:58 am | Permalink | Reply

    To lose by 100k in OH, VA and FL coupled with low turnout suggests the difference was GOTV and I suspect evangelicals staying home.

    What a bitter pill to swallow, encroaching socialism because some religious bigots don’t like that Mitt was a Mormon.

    All the recipes for victory were there. Jewish support in Florida dropped 10% compared to ’08. Even with immense GOTV efforts by Obama we came close only to lose because of bigotry and apathy. I can stand losing a robust debate over ideas but this hurts.

    • Michel Daoud
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:04 am | Permalink | Reply

      I agree. I am a born again Christian, but I am very upset with my fellow Christians today. I’m so sick of them talking about Romney’s Mormon faith and how it’s a “cult”.

    • Fred S
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:20 am | Permalink | Reply

      I think it all came down to Obama being able to appeal to those who want a government handout. He demonized Romney as the rich guy who was out of touch with their needs. Sadly, as capitalism is crushed by taxes, government regulation, Obamacare, innovation and entrepreneurship will die. This will lead to a vicious cycle of more and more people looking to government for a handout, and less in the workforce to pay for it. This will lead to ever increasing deificits, rising unemployment, etc. I cannot believe the American people don’t see this and/ or are willing to settle for it. The most telling statistic from the exit polls to me is that 53% blame Bush for the economy, compared to 38% Obama. That is shocking! Mitt Romey laid out such a positive message in his closing arguments, while the President remained petty and negative. I can’t believe that this is what this country has become.
      Sadly, unless Obama truly tries to go to the center, this country will be in dire shape by 2016. He will have the opportunity to reshape the Supreme Court over the next four years. There will be no checks and balances against outrageous lower court decisions that empower unions, and other interest groups favorable to liberal causes.
      I hope I am wrong, but sadly, I don’t think so.

      • lisaponder
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

        I think you’re right Fred. So sad. You have to be brave to announce you’re a republican these days. So why would anyone want to be a part of this party. We’re openly mocked by the media, Hollywood, athletes, union leaders, co workers, Europeans, South Americans. Are you shocked the party and our values are in decline? I’m a reformed liberal. I know how they think. The fight is over and Karl Marx won. I had a Brazilian co worker call me evil because I’m a republican. I wanted to tell him to go work for Varig, (the Brazilian airline) but then he would have gotten me fired. Are you surprised we lost? I’m not. It’s rampant out there.

  16. Blue Dog Dem
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:02 am | Permalink | Reply

    Off topic, but the media is already rationalizing its behavior this election season. Depressing and leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but unsurprising of course. I disagree that Romney wasn’t the right candidate this year. Midterms are different from presidentials… You need a broader coalition to win. A strident reformer would never have won over the likes of me; I think the “Moderate Mitt” we saw in the last month was pitch-perfect for the national stage. But he had too much catching up to do after a bruising primary, plus a few other unlucky reasons (e.g., media blackout on Benghazi; Sandy/Christie), but his failure to effectively harness Tea Party sentiment wasn’t one of them IMO. Anyway, I agree that the war goes on…even though my war is probably different from all of yours, I’m with you all today in mourning Romney’s loss.

  17. Barf
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:03 am | Permalink | Reply

    Rubio or Bob McDonnell in 2016. Ignoring social issues will turn off southern white evangelicals. The GOP will split in half.

    • John
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:14 am | Permalink | Reply

      No – it needs to be a hispanic, atheist, gay, unmarried (unless gay), pro-abortion woman as the GOP nominee. THAT is the future (and present) of America and the only way future elections can be won. Dismal economy, massive deficit spending mean nothing to the electorate because in the “ME” generation they don’t feel the pain and since less than 50% now are married most voters feel no committment to future generations. It is all about “ME” is what wins their vote.

    • Kevin Paradine
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:16 am | Permalink | Reply

      I’d rather kiss them off than put up with this constant losing at the national level due to social issues. Bottom line: the evangelical viewpoint loses more adherents every year. It’s a kamikaze path for the Republicans. It needs to change NOW. it’ll take the better part of a generation to undo the harm, but it’ll be worth it. Who cares about gay marriage or abortion? It’s meaningless crap compared to small government. Otherwise, the party craters into an irrelevant coalition, modern day Whigs.

      We would have swept the whole Midwest if not for those stupid social issues.

      • Porchlight
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:28 am | Permalink

        Look, the same people who are turned off by conservative social positions are ALSO turned off by small government. Broadly speaking, liberal social positions and big government go hand in hand, just as conservative social positions and small government go hand in hand. The biggest spenders are the most liberal on social positions (Obama). The toughest and most effective fiscal cons in Congress are social conservatives.

        There are exceptions of course, but that is basically how the country shakes out. You will never get to a majority on small goverment plus social liberalism.

      • Posted November 7, 2012 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

        I’m with you Kevin, I’m not willing to risk leaving a socialist country to my children because someone is overly concerned about a woman’s access to abortion. I detest the practice in my personal life but it’s simply not worth it.

        I also think the GOP should give to the Dems immigration reform. Those making under 50K are about to get rewarded for their support of Obama, 20 million new legal competitors for their jobs. Blacks in the inner city watch out you’ll be lucky to get a job as a ditch digger, the Black middle class that makes its living off the inner city government watch out, the brown wave is going to want to be represented by one of their own. They say Charlie Rangel maybe the last Black rep from Harlem. maxine Waters your days are numbered.

        White working class in the Midwest good luck getting a living wage now. We tried to help you snubbed your noses at us so be it. Elections have consequences.

  18. indydoug
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:11 am | Permalink | Reply

    We better nominate a Hispanic in 2016 or get ready for 8 yrs. of Hillary

    • Blue Dog Dem
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:26 am | Permalink | Reply

      Hillary isn’t likely to happen. After a second O term you’ll almost definitely see a Repub back in the WH in 2016.

      • Porchlight
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:30 am | Permalink

        I agree. Second terms are historically unpleasant for the person serving them. Obama isn’t going to enjoy this much and neither will the country.

  19. Michel Daoud
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:15 am | Permalink | Reply

    It’s got to be Rubio in 2016. Don’t care what some people say about his inexperience…just look at Obama in 2008. Rubio brings in the tea party vote as well as closing the gap among Hispanics.

    • Barf
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:18 am | Permalink | Reply

      Agree Rubio is the guy in 2016.

  20. Eli
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:17 am | Permalink | Reply

    I live in jersey, and I like(d?) Christie — I’m kind of conflicted about that this week. However, his ‘stellar’ record is not that great and NJ is hardly a model for reform. He is bombastic and some of his yelling matches with constituents make great youtube videos. Actual results??? Better than I could ever do, but no model for national reform. Reforms have been MINIMAL. Scott Walker provides a model for national reform, however, I can’t seem him winning, unless his popularity skyrockets within Wisconsin. I hate to say it, but two of the greatest champions of reform are Wisconsonites and one was even on the ticket, and we STILL lost Wisconson. I know, birthplace of progressivism etc etc, but that’s my point. Liberalism is so entrenched that the electorate increasingly rejects reform EVEN WHEN the positive results are right in front of it. See Kasich in Ohio as well.

    I am beginning to think that the only real chance of reform is a Democrat who acts similar to the way the Liberal Party did in Canada in the mid and late 1990s. Paul Martin, the fiscally conservative (small c) Liberal (big l) Minister of Finance ( a very powerful position in teh Parliamentary system to the North) saved the country. There was in fact no concensus to reform, but he pushed it through and teh Liberal party committed suicide and saved the country. Of course, when they lost subsequent elecrtions, they reverted to form, but in the meantime, they set the framework (which the Canadian Conservative Party has since embraced and improved upon) for fiscal sanity, by taking on their base —– DECREASING government subsidies for college students, etc. Similar to teh idea of a grand bargain here, except that it was accomplished by one party acting against its own electoral interests.

    Which Democrat leader (it woudl have to be a President) can act this way? Obama? VIllegreso? Seriously, who are we kidding. I don’t see it happening. I fear for the country. Our laws and political culture is to the right of Canada’s, but the Dems are so
    illogical and lefty that it won’t happen. Example: Canada looks around and says “wow, we’re rich, we have oil!” SO they develop a concensus EVEN among most liberals that drilling for oil is GOOD. Sure, the New Democrat left opposes the tarsands in Alberta, but most Canadians (something like 80%) have made peace with the fact that if they want their country to propser (and be able to pay for social programs), they had better use its riches for their benefit. Here, every Democrat leader demonizes oil companies and wealth. I just can’t see this ending well for our fiscal health

    • Eli
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:20 am | Permalink | Reply

      To be precise. I know that WIsconsonites rejected the recall of Walker. Many di dso in principal even though they opposed Walker. Take them out and he wins about 51%. My point is that he’s been governor for several years and his reforms didn’t sufficently impress his state to turn it red EVEN WITH A WISCONSONITE OF SIMILAR MINDSET on the Repub ticket.

      • John
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:30 am | Permalink

        Walker’s reforms are all about shrinking the role and cost of government at the state level. Biggest bang for the buck came by changing the relationship between state government and unions. Wisconsin is much better of fiscally because of his reforms. All along Walker kept recommending Romney to GO BOLD. He did not. Romney even squelched and certainly did not embrace the reforms in the Ryan budget which passed the House. In short, Romney went meek rather than BOLD and it may have cost him the election but certainly cost him Wisconin.

  21. Kevin Paradine
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:18 am | Permalink | Reply

    Anyway, commiserating feels good, but it’s time to get back to real life and work again. I’ll be paying attention again in about 2 years for the midterms.

    • Kyle
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:33 am | Permalink | Reply

      We’ll probably win mid-terms.. the Democratic vote machine is much weaker in the mid-terms.

      • Blue Dog Dem
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:51 am | Permalink

        Yes, and O doesn’t care about helping other Dems, so you’ll probably do pretty well.

  22. Kyle
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:21 am | Permalink | Reply

    Hispanic is the only way forward. We will never get the support of the blacks, but we don’t need them. Their population is not increasing. The Hispanics are increasing rapidly. Rubio would get their vote and the youth vote. The Republican Party needs to come to terms with the fact that Latinos are here to stay and start treating them like Americans. They just took the election away from us!

    • GT
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:37 am | Permalink | Reply

      Do not forget Rubio is Cuban he is not “Hispanic”. I live near a very large Cuban population. The detest the Hispanic label

    • KevinC.
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:38 am | Permalink | Reply

      1.You will never get the Hispanic vote either….not even with Rubio. 2. We did not lose because of Hispanics. We lost because our own base didn’t even come out. 3. Expecting Hispanics to abide by the rule of law IS treating them like Americans. What you want to do is treat them different than other Americans.

  23. Hobie
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:27 am | Permalink | Reply

    Does Susana Martinez of NM have any issues/skeletons in the closet to deal with? Everyone now says Rubio, but I think Martinez is a more interesting choice, and if she does well, could flip NM electoral votes from D to R.

    • William Jefferson Jr.
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 12:23 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Agreed. But I worry about latent sexism in both parties and in all ethnicities. There was definitely a current of sexism when Hillary ran in 2008. We’ll need to think about it.

  24. GT
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:33 am | Permalink | Reply

    Did a single person on this blog, especially with the seeming enthusiasm, think Mitt would command LESS votes than McCain did? Forget about Christie and the Sandy backlash a moment, Mitt got less votes than a weak candidate that was down double digits in some polls the last week. Are some of our voters so narrow minded that they cant see the forest for the trees? The Democrats are a coalition of single or few issue voters but they vote those single issues and it doesn’t matter if they agree or not with some of the others. Where as we seem to sit home if our candidate doesn’t have all ducks in a row up and down our platform. We as Republicans need to start looking at the larger scope. not compromising our social values but being more flexible on them and stop not coming to vote if all is not perfect because if we dont we are going to go the way of the Whig and this country will become a province of China

    • Shane kovac
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 12:48 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Did anyone think OBAMA would get fewer votes than McCain? The electorate was depressed but facts now show it was republicans that were more depressed. Obama got 2.6 million more to the polls he won.

      Sandy didn’t make a difference I don’t buy it. Britt Hume said it best anyone who went Obama because of Sandy were already predisposed to voting for him anyway.

      Facts are had Romney for ALL of McCains voters back to the voting booths we would be talking landslides. They failed to get them out and those voters WHO EVER THEY TURN OUT TO BE failed us.

      If it was the religious right passed cause Romney didn’t bow to them or say abortion enough then screw them in my book

      We lost… It’s not a landslide or z mandate Obama either pills z Clinton and balances the budget etc and becomes a Legend or he is George Bush III

  25. Hestrold
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:41 am | Permalink | Reply

    Shame on you America! The fact that America could reelect this guy after the last four years clearly means that the war, not just the battle is lost. We are a different county. We’re the United States of Europe, a socialist, government-centered country of elites and takers. Sure the soul of the country is still there, but Romney didn’t even hit McCain’s numbers. That speaks volumes. So the Rhino’s of our party are vindicated, stay away from the Tea Party, stay away of socially conservative issues. They’ll continue to pursue a Democrat-lite approach. That means accomplishing nothing remotely conservative. At least they get to keep their nice offices and go to parties and make appearances on MSNBC where they’re laughed behind their backs.

    It’s really the end of the America we grew up with. The fiscal cliff is coming. Buy your gold or horde your cash. The next six months is going to get really ugly. And the poser in chief will have no clue what to do about it. Iran will have their bomb. Libya will be a coverup like Fast and Furious. The MSM won’t report on any of it. Africa and the Middle East will continue to melt down. China will own all our debt. Taxes are going way, way up with revenue to be returned to the moochers for their continued loyalty.

    Loved coming to this site Keith. But I fear I was drinking the Kool Aid here. Too many voices all saying the same thing. I suppose if it turned out right that’d be a different story. But it just didn’t turn out wrong, it turned out a lot wrong. Glad we flipped Indiana. Geez.

    Hope you stick with it. Hope America can get somewhere good again. I have two kids. I feel very, very sorry for them today and the America they will inherit tomorrow.

    So bye, bye Miss American Pie. Cheery, eh?

  26. PIglet
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:53 am | Permalink | Reply

    I must respectfully disagree. The war is over; we lost. Pretending otherwise is just a distraction from the real work of building communities, institutions, and capabilities that can survive what is to come.

    • Hestrold
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 12:00 pm | Permalink | Reply

      “the war, not the battle is lost.”

  27. ShockandAwe
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:54 am | Permalink | Reply

    Everyone is ignoring the “Elephant in the Room” Do you honestly think that African American voters will show up for Hillary in overwhelming numbers the way they have for Obama, if she tries to run on anything but a “3rd Obama Term”? Look what happens in off year elections when Obama is not on the ticket. Scott Walker wins the recall, Scott Brown wins etc. What is so different between the summer with Walker and last night in Wisconsin. It’s Obama on the ticket.

    Plus I always hear how well heeled, high brow professional moderates liked McCain in 2008, but refused to vote for him when he added Palin to the ticket. So we put Ryan on the ticket, who is bright and articulate and the media doesn’t criticize or mock, and we still lose those voters. I believe that a lot of working class whites may have found Romney and Ryan a little too “LL Bean” for them and just didn’t vote. I think that Palin was a big net win of votes compared to Ryan. Don’t get me wrong I like Ryan, but Palin struck a chord with a part of he electorate (rural and working class whites) that Romney may have won, but didn’t win big enough. (Western PA, Rural Ohio???)

    • Hestrold
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 12:01 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Can’t get around less Romney voters than McCain voters.

      • GT
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

        I think the only winner on our side was Sarah Palin. This result exonerates her from the MSM label that she hurt JMC in 2008. It is now obvious she helped get out our base vote that stayed home today. I hope every Evangelic Republican that didnt vote because Mitt was a Mormon chokes everyday on their food when tyhe see what BO will do the next 4 years. How small minded. If MR would have out preformed JMC by 1% just 1% whic we all thought we would Mitt would have won. The logic behind all our thoughts with the polls was solid..its the mind boggling fact that we didnt show up that is incomprehensible

  28. William
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 12:22 pm | Permalink | Reply

    The GOP did a great job getting people out to vote. It wasn’t enough. Why? Because the far right wing of the party is scary to many people, especially young women, gays, and minorities. If you don’t realize that, then you are a part of the problem in the party. You can hold on to your principles and still win voters. You can’t talk about legislating morality, you have to disagree respectfully and work to change hearts and minds and stop being a threat to personal freedom. Nobody wants the government to tell them what to do with their life. Go back to supporting the constitution, championing personal freedom, taking steps to downsize government and be fiscally responsible. That’s my .02 as a former Republican who voted for Gary Johnson this time.

    • Porchlight
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 2:02 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Downsizing government and championing personal freedom is just as “scary” to the voters you’re talking about. Social liberalism —>fiscal liberalism. Over and over again throughout history.

  29. AG
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 12:38 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Keith – I just want to thank you so much for this website. It was so comforting before the election and it’s the calm that I need to hear now. In general I feel discouraged that a party with sound principles can’t get a decent message out to people. I blame the party itself, I blame the media, I blame the gimme generation. The only consolation I tell myself is that the nation didn’t deserve Romney. It’s easy to do Monday morning quarterbacking, but the fact is he did the best he could and people chose to listen to soothing lullabies about entitlements and the economy instead of looking at the truth. I hope you are right about 2016. Please say we can get our act together and stop “aborting campaigns” and being our own worst enemy as you said.

    Thanks again, I appreciate your posts today so much. Thanks.

  30. ShockandAwe
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 12:52 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Can someone please explain to me what did Paul Ryan add to this ticket? OK maybe he didn’t make any errors to hurt the ticket, but that’s like saying your quarterback can’t be blamed for a loss because he didn’t throw an interception. I thought that maybe Ryan could help us win Wisconsin, because of the Walker recall victory. But even that didn’t happen.

    I never cared much for McCain, but I’ll give McCain credit. He didn’t play it safe when he picked Palin as his VP and I believe it helped more than it hurt. Remember that in the week before the financial meltdown occurred, McCain/Palin led Obama/Biden.

    • Eli
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 1:38 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Well, in the week before this one, RR also led Obama/Biden.
      I think the story that comes out after will be that Ryan was muzzled by Romney’s handlers, fearful that his reforms would be seen as too threatening. Describing them in gauzy terms would avoid that. Unfortunately, now that he has lost, this will be seen as justification for the notion that Americans don’t want entitlement reform and budget cuts — after all, they voted down Ryan, I fear that medicare reform is totally dead now, even as a starter.

      Nixon to China moment, whcih I don’t expect: Obama makes deal in which there are some tax hikes and embraces Ryan’s medicare reform, with tweaks. Do I think this will happen? Not really. If it did, (1) O gets his legacy (2) O gets Repubs to vote for tax hikes (3) Medicare gets saved as the deal gets through the House and Senate with pressure from the President.

      Truthfully, I think it would be the best we could hope for. Tax hikes ARE COMING. The question is: is the ‘grand bargain’ a trade for future spending cuts which can be overridden in any given year, or for wholesale change.

      Like I said, this scenario is not likely to happen….. But I woudl like to call representatives to encourage them to do it. It truly is the bet we can do without killing the country fiscally.

    • Posted November 7, 2012 at 1:47 pm | Permalink | Reply

      There’s a story out there somewhere, I think in the Washington Post, that said Ryan wanted to go into inner cities to talk about individualism and prosperity but the Romney camp nixed it. And we think the Democrats are elitist . . .

    • TPK
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 2:01 pm | Permalink | Reply

      I’m not sure being on the ticket did much for Ryan, either. He’s one of the few leaders in the party who has actually put forth a plan to address the actual problems facing this country. As Romney’s running mate, though, he was forced to water that message down and backpedal on the less popular (but no less necessary) parts of his plan like Medicare reform.

      It was obvious during the VP debate that Ryan had to follow the campaign’s “for-God’s-sake-don’t-scare-the-old-people” playbook and say quite a few things that I don’t really think he believed.

      I mean, seriously – when the only problem with Obamacare our leaders can articulate is that it cuts Medicare, we’ve already lost.

  31. Posted November 7, 2012 at 1:07 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Sure, the sun rose today. It rose in North Korea today, as well.

  32. ShockandAwe
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 1:14 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Well it looks like the largest deficit from 2008 to 2012 is California, where Romney got about 900K fewer votes than McCain. If Romney had simply added 10% to McCains 2008 totals in Ohio and Virginia, he would have won those states.

    • GLENN
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 1:22 pm | Permalink | Reply


      America: 1776-2012

    • GLENN
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 1:31 pm | Permalink | Reply


      • Eli
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

        Trump is a buffoon. I wouldn’t want him near the WHite house. Get real.

    • Porchlight
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 2:04 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Adding 10% to previous election totals is not simple, even in a year where big enthusiasm advantage actually materializes.

  33. C-Bus GOP
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 1:32 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Romney and Ryan did not play as well to blue-collar and working class as we needed.

    Also, evangelicals did not come out prob due to Mormon issue.

    I am optimistic that with a charismatic candidate in 2016 who can appeal better to the working class and Hispanics going up against anyone but the medias golden boy the GOP can rebound.

    Mitt will be the last conventional candidate the GOP will ever and can ever run.

    Look at the popular vote. It’s not that this country is hopeless. The policies we stand for are nationally embraced by many. We just got beat in a few key states b/c they got just enuf of their vote out and we didn’t.

    Mitt would have been great in the office. However a New England based republican businessman Mormon was prob not the right guy to win over the voters we needed. He almost did it too….

    Santorum, Gingrich, etc would never have been as close. I’m still shocked how poorly Perry did.

    • Porchlight
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 2:06 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Romney was the best we had and I think for the most part he ran a great campaign. Those big crowds at the end – surely he thought he was winning and so did I. I’m at a loss to describe the kind of Republican that can win next time. It all depends on how bad it gets – and who suffers most – between now and then.

      • Stephen
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 9:00 pm | Permalink

        I read an article that Perry was the only candidate that scared the Obama people. Because Perry “got” it on immigration and that hispanics are a growing portion of the electorate. This is where the base of the party pulling Romney over from a more moderate position basically ended his campaign before it started. But Perry got crushed on this issue in the Primary. Turns out he was right.

  34. Flowersfriend
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 2:17 pm | Permalink | Reply

    My two cents: We have to deal with the media. I don’t care who we put forward, they will be demonized somehow. I am not a first and foremost Romney fan….he lacked warmth (that the public could see), BUT how much more qualified do you need someone to be to save a failing economy?! It’s.what.he.does. His entire life’s work has been to turn around failing businesses. Yet, Obama (with the help of the media) convinced the whole world that it mattered more that he could relate to you and me. Guess what, I don’t want someone to relate to me….I want someone smart to fix this mess!
    Going forward, we better wake up and start grooming some brilliant young minority leaders for this party (yes Marco Rubio is #1 on my list). Chris Christie is dead, dead, dead to me. I would vote for Hillary first and that is no lie. We need to make our personal views on abortion and gay marriage, just that, personal. But we need candidates who DO have strong personal morals or you won’t get evangelicals and we CANNOT win without them.

  35. allthingsgeography1
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 2:19 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Although I am happy Obama won, I’m trying to understand why Romney lost the way he did. I doubt Sandy had little to do with it, except for coincidence. He won simply because…at least in Presidential elections, people simply prefer Dems running things over Reps. This may still be a sign of Bush fatigue. If there’s any consolation for you guys, the Reps still have the US House and therefore some control over the nation’s purse strings. If Obama is to have a rare, productive 2nd term, he will have to work very closely with Speaker Boehner to get some stuff done. No more isolation in the White House or ridiculous feet dragging by Reps OR Dems in Congress. There are some serious problems facing the country that must be dealt with.

    • William
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 3:13 pm | Permalink | Reply

      I think he lost because of social issues. Obama was ripe for the picking, but this year we had Santorum insinuating homosexuality should be illegal, and other GOP’ers saying stuff like god intended a rape if the woman gets pregnant, it’s not rape if a woman gets pregnant and some idiot saying that black Americans should be grateful for slavery (paraphrasing that stuff). Couple that with Romney’s 47% video and his changing his mind on a lot of issues over the last 6-8 years and it just adds up to people not trusting him or the party to be on their side. You can blame the media for a lot of stuff, but they didn’t say those stupid things….even if they were taken out of context or misspoken. That stuff matters. It’s a much more complex discussion than a paragraph or two allows, but we can’t ignore that social issues are very important. Personal freedom is important.

      • allthingsgeography1
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 5:02 pm | Permalink


    • GLENN
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 5:07 pm | Permalink | Reply

      My dear Dem friend AllThings, Some compromise is good, but we should NEVER compromise our FREEDOM!!! So far, Oboma has ruled as a Big Government Socialist……. Unless that changes (doubtful), there is no room for compromise!

      • allthingsgeography1
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

        Then there’s no point in turning on my television set, because news about government will be joke for the next 4yrs or more years. Thanks for informing me.

      • Stephen
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

        I completely disagree. We should compromise where we can find 90% common ground. Now that it is obvious to anyone with a brain that immigration policy killed the R’s in this election we must find a solution that makes sense, is fair, but still stunts the ability for new illegals to easily cross the border. If you are illegal and you’ve committed a felony…well…you don’t get to stay. But otherwise, a practical solution must be found that makes sense..and yes…for many that will mean amnesty.

      • Stephen
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

        And on spending we must deal as well. Even if it means that we have to give a little on the Clinton tax rates on the wealthiest. I’d personally push for anyone over a million. But you can raise taxes without raising rates. And RIGHT NOW…with inflation on food, energy, healthcare WE ALREADY HAVE INFLATION on most of us that means we pay more in tax and get less for our money. Just ask anyone receiving social security if their payments from the government is keeping up with their costs. THIS IS A FORM OF TAX and at this point….it appears to be the preferred way for D’s (maybe most politicians) to pay for their policies. And it works…but it destroys the middle class…they just don’t know it.

  36. ShockandAwe
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 3:56 pm | Permalink | Reply

    No one is a perfect candidate, and Romney did an awful lot right. Aside from the “47% comment” which I don’t think was that big of a deal, he did not make a lot of gaffes. His personal life is impeccable. Democrats simply don’t care about character at all. Biden is beyond ridiculous and Bill Clinton (do we even need to go there) is what he is and it doesn’t matter. Romney and Ryan had very few if any personal flaws. But the media makes excuses and covers for Democrats. PERIOD. If Libya had happened to a Republican incumbent, they would have been toast (and rightfully so). But the repeated double standard over and over again gets extremely frustrating. It makes the Republicans “overthink” everything they say and do and make sure that they try and nominate a flawless candidate. Even Reagan, the greatest politician of our time, would have a hard time dealing with this constant scrutiny.

  37. GLENN
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 4:50 pm | Permalink | Reply

    I work for a company in Louisiana with 800 employees. Even though Louisiana overwhelmingly voted for Romney, our owner just announced to all of us that our company immediately has a “hiring freeze”, and all current employees will receive a 10% cut in pay effective January 1st.

    Thanks a lot Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania, Colorado, and Virginia!!! I will be praying that even worse measures are headed your way very soon. I don’t want to hear how terrible that sounds, or how cruel and un-Christian that sounds……. At least when it happens in those states, it will be a self-inflicted wound.


    • Bunker It Up
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 7:22 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Let the Romney voters paint a mark in blood over their doorways first in those states so that the ” worse measures ” may spare and pass over them!

    Posted November 7, 2012 at 5:19 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Just wanted to say that I have enjoyed your blog this election cycle. Hope you keep it up, it was very informative. Hope things improve there.

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