Congratulations to President Obama

I know Karl Rove is saying it’s not over, but if it is, I toasted you four years ago and I hope no matter what happens the next four years are better than the last.

If the turnout was unprecedented and in your favor I concede defeat honorably.


  1. jvnvch
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 1:58 am | Permalink | Reply

    I’m not a Republican, but if I were I wouldn’t forget what a certain “Republican” governor did to rescue President Obama’s chances for reelection. I’ll always believe Romney had the election won until Sandy and Christie intervened. The photo ops and effusive praise of the president offered up by Christie were a betrayal of Romney and the Republican Party, in my view, but more importantly, they were a betrayal of the nation’s interests, in my opinion. I understand it was all supposedly for the benefit of the people of New Jersey, but it destroyed Romney’s message, and cost him the election, in my opinion.

    • Derclaw86
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 2:57 am | Permalink | Reply

      People in NJ are still suffering, no gas, no power, homes in filth and ruin. ,Chris Christie gave Obama the photo-op, probably the election, and what did he get in return? Absolutely NOTHING except four more years of Obama. I don’t think Repubs will ever forgive Christie for this.

  2. Dave
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 1:59 am | Permalink | Reply

    The problem with that argument is that you have to attrract pelple to your party in the first place to have the potential for a great ground game. And to do that, you have to have the right message hence the debate here. The reason why dems have a better ground game is because they have a bigger base to cull from.

    • Prescient11
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 2:10 am | Permalink | Reply

      Zero ran on a record of nothing. No 2nd term agenda. Clear class warfare. If that wins, so be it. But I want no part of it. fuck him and fuck his supporters.

      RR did a fantastic job. Too bad, but so be it.

      • Dave
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 2:14 am | Permalink

        Zero ran against Bush and he ran as the handout candidate..Zerocare, phones, free legalization (dream act, etc.), a manipulated stock market and used scare tactics for the rest..that’s it. People blame bush for the economy and are more dependent on government now than ever. That it turns out was a winning recipie.

    • Dave
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 2:11 am | Permalink | Reply

      Yup, RR did a fantastic job.

  3. Prescient11
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 2:05 am | Permalink | Reply

    To Keith, thanks for this blog. Very logical, and rational analysis. I can’t believe we were this wrong. It’s actually quite scary. Nothing in the data pointed to a D+6 turnout, frankly. I am not sure what happened. Neither gallup or Ras has ever been that off. EVER.

    You think 7.9% unemployment is tough, you ain’t seen nothing yet. Prepare. The only check we have on this clown is the House GOP, and that ain’t much of a check.

    And to all you in coal country that voted for this POS, fuck you, you get what you deserve.

    • C-Bus GOP
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 2:16 am | Permalink | Reply

      Like stated above – the only explanation here was a voter turnout machine. Same construct as Harry Reid’s Culinary Union machine in NV, flew under everyone’s radar. No way he gets D+6 after 4 failed years based on organic support.

      Without the turnout machine, he loses in the landslide we all predicted.

      The #1 issue facing the GOP now is how to deal with this. Not changing our values or positions, this is a simple getting warm bodies to the polls issue and nothing else.

      • Dave
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 2:21 am | Permalink

        “getting warm bodies to the polls issue and nothing else”

        Are ther even that many warm bodies to get to the polls compared to the dems? I don’t think so thus the message will have to be changed to attract more of those warm bodies.

  4. Pa John
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 2:09 am | Permalink | Reply

    Take what you can while the taking is good

  5. ClearView
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 2:17 am | Permalink | Reply

    China wanted Obama to win. They view him as a weak leader and China’s new leadership will thoroughly test him. Couple that with no mandate in this vote; no change in the Senate or House; looming budget challenges, low job growth, debt issues, and fallout from Benghazi. Obama will quickly see his legacy fade. He didn’t display much mettle in the first four years and it won’t be any better in the coming four.

    The challenge for the Rs is fielding a candidate early for 2016 and then taking advantage of the disaster Obama will have created.

  6. Posted November 7, 2012 at 2:31 am | Permalink | Reply

    Having read this site, Free Republic, Real Clear Politics, etc., I truely believe that the #1 problem for the Republican party is Fox News. Completely controlled by a single man with a single agenda, making no effort to inform their viewers, thinly disguising propoganda as news– you see their talking points over and over again in these threads. Free birth control? Seriously? Only someone living in a complete fantasy world believes that any significant number of women are going to go to a voting booth and decide the president of the United States because of free birth control. There are 16 articles in the “Breaking News” section of the Fox News website; 6 of them are about supposed Democrat corruption in the vote. Really? You seriously believe that? When the last two elections came down to a single state where the Secretary of State was a Republican and the vote count was extremely close, you’re going to imply that 330 electoral votes happened because of voter fraud? Do you understand how completely nuts that is?

    My best friend is a conservative. His #1 issue is gun rights. He’s gay, and he voted for Bush both times because gun rights were more important to him than gay rights. He voted for McCain. And even he voted for Obama, because the Republican party isn’t the conservative party anymore; it’s a party of extremists, and I really believe that’s being driven by Fox. There are so many Republicans that listen day after day, who wind up believing absurd lies– monstrous lies, that bear no resemblance to the truth– because their only source of news keeps repeating it over and over.

    The real reason that you lost, and the real reason you’ll keep losing, is because your base is made up of people that actually believe Obama is a socialist. People who are either so ignorant or so disconnected from reality that they literally believe that a slightly-left of center moderate President is a socialist. People who believe that raising the tax rate a couple of percentage points on the rich constitutes socialism, when the rate is well less than *half* of what it’s been under previous Republican administrations. People who believe that allowing staggeringly profitable, powerful insurance companies to go on supplying our health care while setting some limits and adding some requirements equates to socialized medicine. People that believe that there are large numbers of other people whose idea of a good life is to sit on their ass all day in a crappy apartment watching t.v. because they can collect wellfare and food stamps– when, ironically, the red states consume a *much* higher percentage of entitlements than the blue states do. And it’s all spoon fed to the base by Fox.

    Prediction: Republicans won’t win another Presidential race, and will continue to lose seats in both houses, until Fox News becomes irrelevent.

    • Dave
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 2:36 am | Permalink | Reply

      And NBC and ABC and CNN were examples of unbiased media. You’re a troll and your viewpoint is unsusported by facts. If you want to have a real converationinstead of being blow-troll then stick around.

      • Angelina Joseph
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 2:39 am | Permalink

        The media in our country is so corrupt. 😦

    • Dave
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 2:49 am | Permalink | Reply

      ‘There are so many Republicans that listen day after day, who wind up believing absurd lies– monstrous lies, that bear no resemblance to the truth– because their only source of news keeps repeating it over and over.”

      There is some truth to this. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. They pander to a market segment. But so does the left. Your rant is the absolute product of the anti-fox liberal infomericals you’re being fed as news and opinion. Obama is more of a “socialist” then any president in modern times. That’s a fact. Is he a socialist by “socialist” standards, no but it’s getting there by American standards. I don’t know how old you are or what race but you strike me as younger. Your context is shallow. Your prediction is nothing more than partisan slob-fest that’s been echoed over and over by those who have gone before you over generations. Enjoy your day son, then pull up a chair and watch and learn.

      • Posted November 7, 2012 at 3:14 am | Permalink

        I don’t know what you consider young; I’m 44. And I really think you’re wrong.

        I subscribed to the Conservative Chronicles and National Review through graduate school when everyone I knew considered me a fascist for liking George Will. If I only have time to read one source of news, I read The Economist. I wrote my senior thesis on Adam Smith’s Wealth of Nations. I don’t think I’m brainswashed by the Evil Left.

        The problem with the “Liberal Media Conspiracy” is that, like most consipiracy theories, it relies on a laughably large number of people being “in” on the game. Let’s see, MSNBC; CNN; NBC News, ABC News, CBS News; The BBC; The New York Times, The Los Angelos Times, The Chicago Tribune, and on and on and on– even though most of them are owned and operated by large, profitable corporations, run by people making huge salaries, they’re all skewing the news towards the Left. They’re all reporting falsehoods, they’re all ignoring the same important stories, they’re all echoing the Democratic Talking points. Sure. That’s one theory.

        Or Fox News, owned and controlled by a famously, openly partisan billionaire, with dozens of on-air personalities who have appeared at Republican Fundraisers, which has successfully defended their right in court to report “facts” that they know to be untrue while calling it news, is biased, and most of the other news sources are, you know, actually reporting news.

        And no, Obama is not “socialist” by any standards. Do you even know what the word means? Nor is he Marxist, which he is also often accused of by people on these sites, usually in the same sentence (even though they’re mutually exclusive). Again: his tax proposals are far, far more conservative than has been implemented in the past by Republicans– not just a little bit less, less than half. He has not extended entitlement programs in any way that appears as more than rounding error on the budget. His healthcare policies bear absolutely no relationship or similarity to socialized medicine, and in point of fact there’s a fair amount of evidence that they’re going to make insurance providers even more profits than they had before.

        He has spent a ton of money, but that has nothing to do with being a socialist. There’s nothing about Socialism that says “go into debt”. It’s just bad policy, and it’s pretty much the same bad policy that Reagan and Bush had, both of whom ran up record (at the time) deficits and debts. If the Republicans ever ran a candidate that was actually a fiscal conservative, I’d almost certainly vote for him, regardless of social policies; but that would involve actually raising taxes, which apparently will result in the entire country being turned into an Apocolyptic wasteland, so I don’t hold out much hope of that ever happening.

      • Posted November 7, 2012 at 4:00 am | Permalink

        Actually, I just read a better-written and less-confrotntational explanation of what I was trying to say, written by a conceservative; it’s a short read:

      • tmcvei
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:22 am | Permalink

        Obama is not even close to a socialist …. also brave Andrew

    • Ron
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 3:25 am | Permalink | Reply

      Excuse me, but this is nonsense. All of those entities you mention are indeed “in on the game.” The game is big government and its pandemic, wasteful cronyism and its takeover of our freedoms bit by bit. The problem isn’t Fox News, it’s people like you who fail to understand what the real stakes are. But don’t worry. Leave it to liberals to make a mess. In four years we’ll elect a conservative to deal with it. I only hope we’re not too late.

      • Posted November 7, 2012 at 4:15 am | Permalink

        I hope you really are there to deal with it. Reagan said he’d deal with the economy by cutting taxes and spending money because of trickle down economics; he did cut taxes, and he did sepnd more money, but unfortunately it never actually triggled down, so we were left with a large deficit and debt.

        Then Bush said he’d help the economy by cutting taxes and spending less. So he cut taxes, spent at a record rate, and again we were left with large debt and deficts.

        You want to get my vote? You can do it in about 3 slides. Simple, clear power point slides.

        1. Give me a slide that has a piechart on the left side showing the current budget by category; on the right, the propsed version. Color code them so I can easil see the differences between the two. Totals printed as footers for each.
        2. Take the second pie charft– the one you’re proposing, and take all rally little slivers and get rid of them because it makes the graph too hard to read. Say, anying less than 1% gets lumped into big “miscellaneus” piece of the pie.
        3. Show where the money comes form for each slice of the pie. No hand waiving. No bullshit “$500 million through elimination inefficencies”. Horseshit, if you think you’ve to those identifed, then spell them out; if they’re not identified, then you don’t have a plan, you have a Christmas list for Santa.

        You got a way to pay for what you’re asking for without increasing the deficit? I’m 90% of the way to voting for you. You reducing the deficit? Another 5%. Now as long a you’re not completely nutzo on basic social issues, you’ve got my vote.

      • Ron
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 4:54 am | Permalink

        Of course Reagan dealt with our problems. His policies instituted twenty years of steady growth and prosperity. That you are ignorant of this is another example of how otherwise intelligent people have never exposed themselves to the truth. But how could you know any of this if all you read is the New York Times and all you watch are the alphabet channels. One thing that is so exasperating on the part of conservatives is how liberals repeat and repeat and repeat slogans such as “trickle-down”–in lieu of true thoughtfulness on the economy. In fact most Americans benefitted by Reagan’s policies–vastly more than they ever have since.

      • Marshmallow Candidate
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

        Real income has remained stagnant for a long time. I don’t think Reagan helped those who needed it most, even if he did help defeat the “evil empire” or whatever it is the older generation called it.

    • Kardinal11
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 8:53 am | Permalink | Reply

      Andrew. I essentially agree with you I think but the one thing i dont understand how you reconcile the indisputable fact that Obama has increased the debt tremendously. His plan to tax the “rich”(and id be happy to argue the point that couples making 250K are not the super wealthy the president likes to refer to them as) will not put a scratch on the debt increases he has already incurred. So if you truly are a fiscal conservative whats your rational for voting Obama? I am in the group Obama considers to be “super wealthy” and I didnt vote for Romney because I wanted to avoid a tax increase or get a tax cut. My problem with Obama and the problem I had with Bush is spending. Obamas stimulus would have been fine with me if it would have been used to stimulate the economy and create jobs but it wasnt. It was a handout to his political allies and the stagnant job market and unemployment figures fully back that up. I would be fine going back to the Clinton era tax rates, but whats the point if you are still going to allow entitlements to spiral out of control.

      On social issues im a flat out lefty. I dont care if you want to marry your dog to be honest. I dont vote on social issues. This pipe dream of social consevratives that abortion is EVER going to be outlawed is absurd. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Conversely the fear of liberals the opposite direction is equally absurd.

      I voted for Romney because i honestly felt he understood the problem with spending and debt. I don’t think Fox news is the main problem. I think its a republican party platform the forces fiscal conservatives to espouse far right social issues which alienate women and other social moderates to the point where the go the other way.

      I think if the party would amend their platform to espouse a more Libertarian stance on social issues they could appeal to a much larger population. If they lose evangelicals, so be it. Its not like the Democratic party is any more appealing to those voters. Pandering to the evangelicals doesnt work any more. It cost us a minimum of two senate pick ups and probably much more last night. Maybe even the presidency.

    • tmcvei
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 9:40 am | Permalink | Reply

      I totally agree about Fox. They are corrupting the political scene by re-enforcing extreme right positions that will never be accepted by a majority of the country. Women’s issues and immigration issues and tax issues. I think the single biggest myth that has ruined this country is that lowering tax rates increases tax revenues. This is total BS if anyone just studies the statistics. The Bush tax cuts and the Iraq war is what started this mess. There is a unbiased congressional report about to be released that will prove this point. When it is released please be open to what it says and imagine the implications of this issue. Of the 40 largest industrial countries there are only 3 countries that pay less taxes (as a percent of GDP) than the US. Corporate tax rates should come down but individual tax rates should go up and loop holes for business and the rich should be cut. The position of the Rs in congress that we can’t raise a dime of tax revenues is the most outrages position that is dooming this country. Obama will not compromise on that issue and he should not. Obama’s plan for the future has the three legs of the stool needed to turn the country around …. cut expenses of some entitlements … cut the military expenses by Trillions … RAISE tax revenues. This is wjhat he offered to the right two years ago and it was rejected. We can turn this around but only if the extreme positions of the far right move to the middle.

    • David Weed
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 4:33 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Andrewbgross, that was EXACTLY what I wanted to say, but couldn’t bring myself to type. Arguing on this site can be very much like the “playing chess with pigeons” quote: “Debating creationists on the topic of evolution is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon — it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory.”

      What you said was spot on. Thanks!

      • Marshmallow Candidate
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

        Uh, lots of conservatives are *not* creationists. Zzz at the failed analogy, which obviously comes from some philosophically illiterate new atheists, and only serves to demean rather than add something useful.

      • David Weed
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

        Okay. I wondered if I’d have to spell it out for you, Marshmallow.

        “Discussing reasonable politics on this site is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon — it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory.”

      • Marshmallow Candidate
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

        Analogy sans argument.

  7. Angelina Joseph
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 2:32 am | Permalink | Reply

    Someone pointed out earlier that Obama never stopped campaigning in battleground states since 2008. I agree. Probably paid billions from the stimulus money to the right people in those states to cover the base. There is no other explanation for this devastation.

  8. SK
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 2:39 am | Permalink | Reply

    CNN) – Mitt Romney delivered his concession speech Tuesday in Boston. Read below for a transcript of Romney’s remarks.

    Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, my friends. Thank you so very much.


    Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

    I have just called President Obama to congratulate him on his victory. His supporters and his campaign also deserve congratulations.

    His supporters and his campaign also deserve congratulations. I wish all of them well, but particularly the president, the first lady and their daughters.


    This is a time of great challenges for America, and I pray that the president will be successful in guiding our nation.


    I want to thank Paul Ryan for all that he has done for our campaign.


    And for our country. Besides my wife, Ann, Paul is the best choice I’ve ever made.


    And I trust that his intellect and his hard work and his commitment to principle will continue to contribute to the good of our nation.


    I also want to thank Ann, the love of my life.


    She would have been a wonderful first lady. She’s – she has been that and more to me and to our family and to the many people that she has touched with her compassion and her care.

    I thank my sons for their tireless work on behalf of the campaign, and thank their wives and children for taking up the slack as their husbands and dads have spent so many weeks away from home.


    I want to thank Matt Rhoades and the dedicated campaign team he led.


    They have made an extraordinary effort not just for me, but also for the country that we love.

    And to you here tonight, and to the team across the country – the volunteers, the fundraisers, the donors, the surrogates – I don’t believe that there’s ever been an effort in our party that can compare with what you have done over these past years. Thank you so very much.

    Thanks for all the hours of work, for the calls, for the speeches and appearances, for the resources and for the prayers. You gave deeply from yourselves and performed magnificently. And you inspired us and you humbled us. You’ve been the very best we could have imagined.

    The nation, as you know, is at a critical point. At a time like this, we can’t risk partisan bickering and political posturing. Our leaders have to reach across the aisle to do the people’s work.

    And we citizens also have to rise to the occasion. We look to our teachers and professors, we count on you not just to teach, but to inspire our children with a passion for learning and discovery.

    We look to our pastors and priests and rabbis and counselors of all kinds to testify of the enduring principles upon which our society is built: honesty, charity, integrity and family.

    We look to our parents, for in the final analysis everything depends on the success of our homes.

    We look to job creators of all kinds. We’re counting on you to invest, to hire, to step forward.

    And we look to Democrats and Republicans in government at all levels to put the people before the politics.

    I believe in America. I believe in the people of America.


    And I ran for office because I’m concerned about America. This election is over, but our principles endure. I believe that the principles upon which this nation was founded are the only sure guide to a resurgent economy and to renewed greatness.

    Like so many of you, Paul and I have left everything on the field. We have given our all to this campaign.


    I so wish – I so wish that I had been able to fulfill your hopes to lead the country in a different direction, but the nation chose another leader. And so Ann and I join with you to earnestly pray for him and for this great nation.

    Thank you, and God bless America. You guys are the best. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thanks, guys.


    • Angelina Joseph
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 2:40 am | Permalink | Reply

      In tears …..

  9. Prescient11
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 2:49 am | Permalink | Reply

    It’s finally hitting home. Can you believe we have the scoamf for another 4 years. I will carry my 3 children to bed with great sorrow tonight/this morning. America, what have you done????????

  10. Prescient11
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 2:55 am | Permalink | Reply

    Oh, and last post, I promise.










    ok, done. Good luck fellow patriots…

    • Dave
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 2:58 am | Permalink | Reply

      I rad that as an Eric Cartman rant….lol

      • Dave
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 2:59 am | Permalink


      • Prescient11
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 3:00 am | Permalink

        i forgot Dave, FUCK YOU OHIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        Obamaphones galore you fucking stupid bastards…

        But that’s just one man’s opinion…

      • David Weed
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

        Prescient11, your tears are delicious.

  11. Dave
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 3:06 am | Permalink | Reply

    Prescient11, why do you vote republican?

    • Prescient11
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 3:13 am | Permalink | Reply

      Because I came from nothing, and made my own way. Because I believe individual responsibility trumps all else. Because I love our military. Because I believe in life and choice and freedom. Because this Republic is worth saving. I am very sad, to say the least.

      What I am most sad about, however, is how the data let us down. From all objective measures, this should have been ours. I do not understand how all the info led to this result.

      And yes, I am not above crazy conspiracy theories. How did this happen??? How could gallup and Ras be so wrong on party ID. I put nothing past these fucks.

      Bottom line, we need streetfighters in this world. Not nice guys. Hats off to RR though, Romney would have been a fantastic President.

    • Dave
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 9:34 am | Permalink | Reply

      I think that either the intent of the website was to GOTV OR that there was little understanding of what exactly partisan composition is corrlelated with. The party ID is not staitc from election to election as more people enter the country. If a D+8 vote happened one election then a D+12 vote can happen next election because new people are coming into the country. It’s also a subjective measure that measure attitudes at the time of sampling rather than their persistant alligence to one side or the other. It can change in samples. One time they may feel they’re going to vote dem and the next they state they’re independent but vote dem anyways.

  12. Prescient11
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 3:35 am | Permalink | Reply

    Keith, the most valuable analysis you can provide is to understand exactly how we were SO FUCKING WRONG based on the data you were studying.

    Honestly, that is the most invaluable service you can provide at this point.


    • Andrew
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 5:06 am | Permalink | Reply

      I’ve enjoyed reading this site, but I think bloggers like Keith owe pollsters an apology. They’ve been accused of being biased, incompetent, in the tank for Obama, living in a fantasy world…all for simply doing their jobs and accurately reporting the results. A little humility doesn’t hurt sometimes – outfits like Marist, Quinnipiac and Pew were actually incredibly accurate in calling the election.

      • zang
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 6:11 am | Permalink

        Marist was incredibly accurate? They had Obama up by 6 in ohio, which he won by only 2

  13. Ron
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 3:36 am | Permalink | Reply

    We rebuild. Once we find out why we lost. Why couldn’t we take FL? Should Mitt have chosen Rubio? What happened in OH? Did the evangelicals not come through? People were so sure OH was in the bag. Ditto for FL. So we figure all this out–and then rebuild. This cold civil war is far from over.

    • Prescient11
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 3:45 am | Permalink | Reply

      Agreed, this was a total fuck up as far as the race goes and numbers. But why?????? I think obama was surprised to win tonight, and Romney sure as hell was surprised to lose.

      Crazy fucking times.

  14. Marge
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 3:40 am | Permalink | Reply

    I am old enough to remember LBJ’s great victory in 1964, and a man who would leave office a broken man in 1968. The vast majority of the people who hailed his victory would scream for his head. Only half the American people want Obama in office. He has no mandate. He no longer enjoyes blind adulation. Now he can no longer blame someone else. Now he will have to answer for Benghazi and the devastation of the Northeast. He will have to answer for economic failings. He will have to answer when our medical care system is devastated. People will discover that the only thing “free” means is someone has to pay more taxes. Folks, I am old enough to tell you that everything that happens is for a purpose. Do not despair. This country survived years of civil war, we will survive this.

    • edtitan77
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 6:12 am | Permalink | Reply

      The problem is that LBJ’S policies are why we were defeated. So he may have left office defeated but he did a lot if damage before he left.

      • Marge
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 6:31 am | Permalink

        Indeed he did.
        He left office far more than defeated, he left broken. This was a man who rode into office on a wave of glory, unlike Obama who has support of only half the American people. Mark my words edtitan, this victory may well be very bittersweet for Obama and we have only begun the fight. Great movements like the Abolitionists didn’t rise up one day and then throw their hands up in despair and quit when they suffered one setback after another. Their struggle took decades. The Conservative movement won’t either.
        Some bright news. The Republicans took back the Wisconsin Senate. Nice to see that despite the millions tossed away by unions, they are right back to square one.

    • ET4
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 7:12 am | Permalink | Reply


      Thanks for your comments. I take solace from your wisdom, but as a young Republican in this election season, which was the first I followed studiously, I can’t help but see this as a major defeat for free markets, individualism, and America overall, from which we might not overcome. I am extremely distraught and worried for our country. I have lost faith in the American people to make the right decisions and fear we are no longer as great of a people that Reagan once described us as.

      I am unable to sleep this night; I feel as if there’s a giant hole where my heart was. I feel bad for myself, bad for Mitt Romney, and bad for all of these other folks here who feel the same way I do. I dread having to think of how Mr. Romney felt tonight. Conservatives of all shapes and sizes are now rendering their verdicts on this failure: we were too conservative, we were too moderate, Romney was weak, Obama was strong, Hispanics, women, etc. The worst part is, none of these diagnoses seem to fit the symptoms nicely. This means the most probable explanation is also the most tragic one: we have changed as a people.

      I sincerely hope President Obama changes course and governs from the center these next 4 years; that he doesn’t use government as a bludgeon against all ailments we may face; that he doesn’t further introduce the allure of government dependence and overstretch that has damned nations to the graveyard of history. But I won’t hold my breath. I just wish we still had people like Milton Friedman, who was able to communicate all of this with such optimism, compassion, and logic that no one could refute or resist. The same sort of attributes that radiated from Reagan. When will someone rise to take up this mantle for my generation?

  15. zang
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 4:03 am | Permalink | Reply

    While all the votes are not in, it is looking like there was low turnout this year. Yes, for all the talk of fired up conservatives, it looks like Romney’s vote totals will be below McCain’s!

    Republicans stayed home.

    • Xdust
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 4:23 am | Permalink | Reply

      Wonder if it was the “Mormon” Thing. People are real funny about things like that.

      And that eliminates “Sandy” as a factor also. No way Sandy/Christie whatever made GOP stay home.

      Hell, maybe the Demos are right. The Era of Big Govt is here. Even the GOP wants it, maybe?

      • Ron
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 5:07 am | Permalink

        If Romney was short-changed because of his Mormonism, there will be hell to pay. I think that would split the party if it turns out evangelicals stayed home.

      • stuckinmass
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 5:44 am | Permalink

        We pat ourselves on the back because we can elect a black president, but yet the country is far from open-minded about a candidates religion. Still can’t get a Catholic elected unless you are JFK. I don’t think there’s ever been a Jew. I was surprised at how little was made of Mitt’s Mormonism in the campaign season, that I thought with the economy this bad people would look past it. Maybe not!

        I was worried about the evangelical vote. I think that’s what took him so long in clinching the nomination.

        The sad thing is, the evangelical vote is often associated with this party and is what keeps many people voting Democrat that should otherwise be our ally, especially on the coasts. If it turns out they screwed us over two elections in a row, maybe it’s time to be done with them!

    • Xdust
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 4:30 am | Permalink | Reply

      Now that I think of it. Damn this sucks. McCain pulled in more votes then RR. Talk about a missed opportunity.

      I wonder If McCain would have won this year?

    • Evan3457
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 5:11 am | Permalink | Reply

      Extrapolating the rest of the popular votes based on the precincts not yet counted in each state shows Obama should wind up about 4 million under 2008, and Romney will get about 4 million more, but the Republicans started in a 10 million vote hole.

  16. SP
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 4:17 am | Permalink | Reply

    2016 Agenda…

    1. A woman, better if Hispanic

    • John
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 6:31 am | Permalink | Reply

      Ya, and better add atheist, gay/lesbian, unmarried (unless gay). That’s where this nation is headed or has already arrived. It is pretty cleary the religious right did not vote yesterday in numbers needed. They have sealed their own fate. This was their chance but they must’ve stayed home and prayed about it instead. Obama will appoint probably two more SCOTUS justices in his 2nd term. We know where “conservative” traitor John Robers stands and If one of them replaces Kennedy the full blown social liberal agenda will be enacted through the courts. A sad day indeed folks.

    • David Weed
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 4:41 pm | Permalink | Reply

      You obviously haven’t learned ANYTHING from last night’s drubbing.

      The GOP doesn’t necessarily need to “put up” a woman, or an Hispanic. You actually have to govern TO those constituents. President Obama is a black man. That doesn’t automatically give him an edge with women and hispanics. It’s the D’s POLITICS that gave the President those votes.

  17. KSleeps
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 4:22 am | Permalink | Reply

    It’s time ladies and gentlemen. This country has clearly fallen away from our original values. If we let it be, we’ll go the way of the Romans and every other great civilization. We have the choice, the opportunity. This country was founded on opportunity. Today, for the second election in a row, we voted that opportunity means shared success. Look at the results, almost half of us feel the same way. It’s time to take this country back. Obama will try to control us. He’ll continue spending and send us to Greece levels. It’s time for us to organize. It’s time for the patriots and the tea partiers to come together. We can not allow this government to continue. They will bankrupt us, they will end our country. America as we know it is dead and gone unless we defend it. Organize your local militia, gather together and defeat tyranny.. It’s time for us to organize once again. We’ve been subjected to some of the worst policies every written. For them to win this election with an even greater turnout means we are doomed for every election to come. America is dead unless we decide to do something about it. Are you ready to defend your ideals? They used to be stories, but it’s time to act again.

  18. Posted November 7, 2012 at 5:41 am | Permalink | Reply

    This is strange, neither Obama nor Romney will get the votes McCain got in 2008.

    • edtitan77
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 6:14 am | Permalink | Reply

      Interesting well Gallup got that one right.

      • Posted November 7, 2012 at 6:52 am | Permalink

        I apologize, I was looking at old numbers

  19. John
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 6:19 am | Permalink | Reply

    I wept and prayed for our children last night. 7.9% unemployment is now just fine with Americans. $6T debt in four years time is now just fine with Americans. Government run healthcare is now just fine with Americans. A new recession will begin early next year in response to the tax increases of Obamacare and associated layoffs from many business. By the time Obama is inaugerated for his 2nd term at least 10% of those who voted for him will want a “do over”. Sorry folks you only get one chance to screw up when the stakes are this high. America will make Greece look like a thrify nation within 10 years. Canada is looking more attractive to me every day.

    • Marge
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 6:37 am | Permalink | Reply

      Please read my posts starting on number 9. Do not despair, our country has survived far worse and great movements like the Abolititionists and civil rights struggled longer and harder than we have, and certainly suffered their share of setbacks and disappointments. These great movements share one trait, they never gave up. The conservative movement is down, not out, and we are not giving up.

    • Xdust
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 6:57 am | Permalink | Reply

      Meh, I say you worry too much. Obamacare Isn’t too bad really. I deal with it every day. I’m actually betting the GOP will like it.

      Just take it from me. Obamacare is NOTHING like its advertised by both parties. Its actually pretty nice for the working class.

      Id say if you work and make less then 100K/year, your cost will go down a lot. And you will get a VERY nice policy. far better then you have now. And that is a private Insurance policy. A big time policy. Covers every damn thing. No limits on coverage, no pre-existing conditions, and its almost certainly at a lower cost then this same policy would be if you paid for it under the current system.

      Where I work its Basically 100% implemented, and the patients don’t even notice. The best thing, it forces computerization on these “Old” doctors. And that has improved things 1000%.

      PA is really far along, and most people are totally unaware of any changes. Almost all changes are at the Hospital level. Totally invisible to patients. Just remember, most doctors are liberals, and the AMA supported this. So its not at all draconian. It gives these archaic Hospitals a kick in the butt to move 60 years forward in the last 18 months.

      For example. Almost all regs say this (Paraphrased).

      Reg 1: You must do this, UNLESS otherwise described by your doctor.
      Reg 2: You must do this, UNLESS otherwise described by your doctor.
      Reg 3: You must do this, UNLESS otherwise described by your doctor.
      Reg 4: You must do this, UNLESS otherwise described by your doctor
      And believe Me, those doctors play fast and loose for their patients. They DO NOT want some Govt Clown moving in on his Medical degree. In Short, Doctors are 100% motivated to beat down the Govt Clowns every change they get. So keep that in mind. Doctors will protect their territory like tigers.

      In short, don’t worry about Obamacare. Its simply not a big deal. I’m betting you wont even notice the difference. I’m betting you will like it. I do.

      Obamacare problem is that people don’t know the details, and are afraid of the worst. I assure you. The fear mongering simply isn’t true. And that I lay totally on O. They passed that law, and didn’t sell it. I have no Idea why. If O sold the law, Answered questions, and hell, brought News Crews for walk through in hospitals that are already 100% implemented. People would overwhelmingly support it. It wouldnt even be a topic of Discussion.

      ITS NO BIG DEAL. If you problem with O is fear of Obamacare. RELAX. I’m sure you will like it.

      And Im betting Obamacare will be so invisible to the average person that O’s Biggest Program will not even be noticed. Im betting it will rank right up there with Bush “Medicare “D” program. A big Ho Hum, who cares in a very short time.

      • Kardinal11
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 9:17 am | Permalink

        Obamacare is going to cause a huge influx of patients into a system that won’t have the doctors to take care of them. Before you attempt to lecture me that i dont understand the bill, im a partner in a very successful surgical practice that implemented full EMR in 2005, way ahead of the curve. Of our current group, none accept Medicaid at this point and some have stopped accepting new Medicare patients as well. The doctors who stopped seeing new Medicare patients have actually increased their monthly receipts. Obamacare will suffer the same fate with poor reimbursement. Many doctors will just opt out. You will see alot of people waiting a long time to even see a doctor.

      • Dave
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 9:18 am | Permalink

        Zerocare…”Id say if you work and make less then 100K/year, your cost will go down a lot. And you will get a VERY nice policy. far better then you have now.”

        And you don’t think the costs are going to come around for that to the tax payer? What planet are you living on?

        At this early juncture with Zerocare, all you can do is look at the trail of dust it leaves behind. Thus far I have a couple examples A friend of mine tried to use it. They voted for him and it, and when it finally was implemented were happy/relieved to see it pass. Fast forward a few months later and this friend developed a back injury. There was great pain. Doctor diagnosed it as a cracked bone on the back but could fix it. This individual takes exceptionally good care of their health, gets regular exercise and eats right. They tried to apply for Zerocare to cover it. It wouldn’t. This was a straight forward injury, for a person in a mainstream economic class <100K and it wouldn't cover it. It was advertised an alternative to private insurance yet failed to provide even basic coverage. How can you trust something like that? The costs for this sometimes-there sometimes-not Zerocare will be real however (assuming that it does do what it's advertised to do…provide health insurance) and will add up as more and more new people enter the country and more and more expcet free healthcare. Have you seen what Canada goes through to make sure, freeloaders don't try to enter the country just for the healthcare? It's a nightmare waiting to happen. And I won't even get in to the issues I've seen with Canada's healthcare.

      • Shane kovac
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:02 am | Permalink

        You are right, and I work for a large urban safety net system. Obamacare is going to be our death nail. Because medicaid expansion is now optional we won’t have the expanded payor base we needed to bring down our $135 million in uncompensated care (30‰ of net revenue). You throw in the quality and satisfaction based reimbursement cuts and we are dead within 10 yrs. Yet our CEO continues to slobber all over it and Obama.

        It’s that kind of economic ignorance on all sides that kills both sides. The working class on one way or another votes against their own interests either way.

        I do fear for our nation as entitlements will continue to expand especially when the GOP figures out they will have to hand out freebies too to buy votes like Dems do.

        GOP Has to get away from the religious right, the tea party and other extreme social issues the public doesn’t support. The time for the Limbaugh, Hannitys, Fox News to divorce the GOP. I think our party has to become a YOUNGER, AND LESZ WHITE and honestly total economic policy nerds with moderate to libertarian social ideals or we won’t win for at least another 12 yrs or more

        When you are a drunk and wake up with a tranny hooker it’s time to admit you have a problem and need to change. Last night was our tranny hooker bender

  20. Mass liberty
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 7:09 am | Permalink | Reply

    How could Mia Love lose? She was up big in Utah? Allen West too. Don’t tell me these weren’t targeted fraud.

  21. lisaponder
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 7:10 am | Permalink | Reply

    I’m an international flight attendant. We thought we won the Cold War. We didn’t. Karl Marx is alive and well. You all have no idea what’s going on in Venezuela and Argentina or France for that matter. I suggest you hold your children close, monitor your money, don’t give ANY to liberals. Stop hiring your illegal immigrants to do your tasks. Keep your money. Am I being extreme? I don’t think so.

    • Xdust
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 7:15 am | Permalink | Reply

      France is going off the deep end. Damn their system has a huge flaw.

      And yea, Venezuela and Argentina are off the deep end years ago.

      • lisaponder
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 7:43 am | Permalink

        Not years ago buddy. Who’s going to pay for all this “free” health care?

  22. live_free290248
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 7:40 am | Permalink | Reply

    where is fab4gal? I told her Romney would get his clock cleaned in CO, but she was counting yard signs. lol Hope she is ok. 🙂

  23. lisaponder
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 7:47 am | Permalink | Reply

    Can we start some kind of ” Angie’s List” where we only hire liberty loving individuals? Remember people, every time you make a transaction you’re feeding the Obama beast and handing out free phones.

    • Neil in NC
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 8:03 am | Permalink | Reply

      The “Leftists” would call that hate speech and discriminatory.

      Count me in!

    • Neil in NC
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 8:04 am | Permalink | Reply

      How bout we call it the “I Built This List”.

  24. Brian
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 8:07 am | Permalink | Reply

    rcp composite averages where dead on!! Demographic data always works best.

    Nate Silver won big time .

  25. Posted November 7, 2012 at 8:53 am | Permalink | Reply

    Ohio does it again. National Pct: Obama 51.1 Romney 48.9 Ohio Pct: Obama 51.0 Romney 49.0

  26. Widcat
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 8:54 am | Permalink | Reply

    Everbody the reason we loss is simple. We allowed the msm dedicate what a republican and a conservative was. We need to redefine what the republicans and conservatives stand for, We need make easy to undstand what we belive in and why we belive the way we do. Then we go talk to minorites and try to convet them. We cant allow conservaties talk radio or fox news to define us. We must do it ourselfs thrue socail media.

  27. Kardinal11
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 9:07 am | Permalink | Reply

    Time for a new part platform that has more broad appeal. Stay fiercely conservative on fiscal issues and adopt a more Libertarian stance social. Will bring in more women. Fuck the evangelical vote. Pandering to those idiots has cost the party and our country big time.

    • stuckinmass
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 9:19 am | Permalink | Reply

      True! I know so many people who seem like natural Republicans but who vote Democrat because of social issues. In fact they vote out of fear that they might lose abortion rights or something. Never mind that 24 years of Republican administrations since Roe V Wade has never changed the law, they are sure the next one will and so they vote Obama. It’s infuriating!

      The northeast is full of such people. The Repbublicans need to get out of 1980s mode and adapt to 21st century issues.

      I am pro-life, but I also realize that you won’t change the law until it’s what the people want. Putting in a pro-life president hasn’t and won’t make a difference. It just causes fruitless battles while ignoring the real issues– that we are spending ourselves into oblivion!

      • Kardinal11
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 9:24 am | Permalink

        How does the leadership of the party not see this? Its killing them in the suburbs and with college educated whites. As you said, I dont think a single candidate the reps have elected has every really considered making a run at Roe V Wade. You can be Pro-Life, which i am without trying to make it part of your legislative agenda.

      • stuckinmass
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:09 am | Permalink

        The leadership sees this.
        Problem is the primary system forces candidates to run to the right to get nominated then run to the center to win election. Then neither the right nor the center trusts them.

        I lived in MA when Romney was governor – I think he was fairly moderate, or at least he governed that way on social issues. He was mostly concerned with the numbers and economy, making the budgets balance, etc. He’s the type of candidate the suburbs and college candidates should love.

        But the social-right has too much power in the primaries. Because they are more activist. Problem with centrists is they are rarely very activist.

  28. NoSocialism
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 9:07 am | Permalink | Reply

    First of all, I admit I was wrong. I over-estimated the intelligence of this nation. I didn’t think a socialist president who oversaw a terrible economy had any chance against someone with a strong economic background and $1 billion in his war chest. So yes, my “projections” were wrong. I felt good about them until about 8:30pm when I saw that the electorate was D+6. Somehow, some way, Obama got nearly all of his 2008 voters back to the polls even with his terrible track record. The strong Democratic turnout and apparently superior ground game won him the election. Now some general thoughts about why Obama won:

    Sandy – Exit polls said that nationally over 40% said that Sandy had affected their decision. Really?!?!? A president flying in after a disaster for a photo op a week before an election somehow made people forget the last 4 years and swing the election. Unreal! I should remind you that Gallup had Romney at +5 until they shut down for Sandy then he was +1 when they were back online. If Sandy really swung the election 4 percentage points then that is what won Obama re-election.

    That said, Chris Christie got played like a fiddle. Yes he was trying to do the right thing after disaster but he was naive to think that Obama wasn’t playing politics a week after the election. Now Obama has been re-elected, Christie has no future in his party, and New Jersey is still a mess. How did that work out for ya Christie?

    We also learned that the state-run media is more powerful than a $1 billion war chest by an opposing party. The media covered up Benghazi and ran Obama’s Sandy photo ops for every bit of politcal currency they could get out of it. As long as the media is in the tank for Democrats, no other party will ever have a chance in a major election. Not Republicans, not Libertarians, nobody…

    People need to STFU about racism. One race voted 59-39 along ideological lines and another race voted 93-6 for the candidate of their race. Do I need to explain which one looks more racist?

    That said, Romney also lost big time with Hispanics 2-1. In hindsight he should have nominated Rubio as his VP. It would have helped him in Florida and it would have helped him with Hispanics. 2 critical areas that he lost. It also doesn’t help that some Hispanics “escape” the oppression of socialist countries like Cuba and Venezuela then turn around and vote for socialism here.

    So now socialist Obama has 4 more years where he doesn’t even need to worry about re-election. Now the gloves come off and he’s going to shove every possible socialist agenda he can down our throats. I don’t know if this nation will survive for the rest of Obama’s term without MAJOR damage done. For that reason I am going to inquire with my boss today about re-locating to another country (no promises on that front). I do not want my kids to grow up in a nation moving further and further towards socialism. You wanted Change? You got it… This country looks more and more like the movie Idiocracy by the day.

    • NoSocialism
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 9:23 am | Permalink | Reply

      Also, here’s some coverage of the election last night:

  29. Kardinal11
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 9:11 am | Permalink | Reply

    Also, what happened to the tea party movement? IIRC the movement was initially one whose main goal was fiscal restraint and controlling the scope of government. It seems that so called tea party candidates in this election and even in 2010 were social issue loons who threw away easy senate pickups.

    • Kevin Paradine
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 9:24 am | Permalink | Reply

      The problem with the Tea Party was its conscious break with political orthodoxy. This made candidate selection a race to the top for the most motivated, which didn’t mean the most electable. The Mike Castle primary defeat in Delaware, and the Sharron Angle thing in Nevada pale compared to the awful defeats of Mourdock and Akin this year in what should have been easy pickups. That’s a net 4 Senate seats, enough to give the Republicans a majority.

  30. Dave
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 9:19 am | Permalink | Reply

    Zerocare…”Id say if you work and make less then 100K/year, your cost will go down a lot. And you will get a VERY nice policy. far better then you have now.”

    And you don’t think the costs are going to come around for that to the tax payer? What planet are you living on?

    At this early juncture with Zerocare, all you can do is look at the trail of dust it leaves behind. Thus far I have a couple examples A friend of mine tried to use it. They voted for him and it, and when it finally was implemented were happy/relieved to see it pass. Fast forward a few months later and this friend developed a back injury. There was great pain. Doctor diagnosed it as a cracked bone on the back but could fix it. This individual takes exceptionally good care of their health, gets regular exercise and eats right. They tried to apply for Zerocare to cover it. It wouldn’t. This was a straight forward injury, for a person in a mainstream economic class <100K and it wouldn't cover it. It was advertised an alternative to private insurance yet failed to provide even basic coverage. How can you trust something like that? The costs for this sometimes-there sometimes-not Zerocare will be real however (assuming that it does do what it's advertised to do…provide health insurance) and will add up as more and more new people enter the country and more and more expcet free healthcare. Have you seen what Canada goes through to make sure, freeloaders don't try to enter the country just for the healthcare? It's a nightmare waiting to happen. And I won't even get in to the issues I've seen with Canada's healthcare.

  31. Dave
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 9:21 am | Permalink | Reply

    Zerocare…example 2

    I also know of people that do not have jobs, are not looking for jobs or want only specific types of jobs, live with parents and desperately want Zerocare so they can keep looking for just the specific type of job they want without being forced to accept other more general types of jobs and get off of relative’s healthcare (pass the cost along). There are jobs there but they don’t want them. Sure we would all like to look for the ideal job but sometimes we need to do what is necesarry to provide for ourselves. If Zerocare was not availbale then these people would have been more likely to take the jobs that were available rather than decline them. And the relatives would have been more likely to force them to take these jobs too. These people have basically transferred their cost for a ward onto the taxpayer and allowed them to maintain the same rediculously selective job criteria. These people are not expected to enter the workforce for years as they go back to school for yet another degree. So those two example underscore socialistic themes and they are real. And if they’re happening in my backyard, it must be happening across this country. What I’m seeing is likely the tip of the iceberg…people that couild otherwise provide for themsleves and their health are opting not to becuause the government and the taxpayer are making it easier for them to opt out of the workforce.

    • Kardinal11
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 9:29 am | Permalink | Reply

      He also left out the IPAB. A panel of appointed people who will decided whether a treatment will be covered or not under Obamacare. The medical decisions will be taken out of the hands of the doctors if that provision survives.

    • Pa John
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 9:37 am | Permalink | Reply

      Then when they go back for another degree and run up 100g in debt the Dems will institute a debt relief program for them RE :Elizabeth Warren victory speech.

  32. Posted November 7, 2012 at 9:28 am | Permalink | Reply

    Still upset. I have avoided television and radio as best I can. In fact I still don’t know who won Florida, but I assume the worst

  33. Posted November 7, 2012 at 9:33 am | Permalink | Reply

    Fab4gal, where are you? Are you okay? With all your wonderful enthusiasm, and after what happened last night, I worry about you today?

  34. Stephen
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 9:35 am | Permalink | Reply

    I see this result as a condemnation of the Republican immigration policy. If Romney had received the same percentage vote among hispanics as Bush (44%) then Romney would be president-elect this morning. We must become a more inclusive party, especially to hispanics. This means we need to move on something like Rubio’s dream act…and promote HIM in the process. We need to DEMONSTRATE we’ve seen the light and we “get” it. We have to back something like the dream act, while looking to protect our borders, and be a more inclusive party. If we continue to lose hispanics by 70/30 we will be a permanent minority party.

    I also see that we have to soften our social issues. We can keep abortion to a degree but push more towards late term issues, etc. Talking about rape in anything but a tragedy and prayer for victims is STUPID. And we lost not 1 but TWO senate seats to stupidity. We also need to soften the talk on other hot button social issues. Gay marriage should be a matter for the State’s to decide but will eventually become the law of the land in the majority of the States.

    Economic policy is not what lost this election for us. Stay conservative to fiscal policy. Don’t give in (much) on raising taxes. If you do have to give in to make a big deal that gives you 90-95% of what you want…make changes to tax policy that doesn’t raise rates but eliminates deductions, etc but only AFTER you’ve reduced corporate rates. But people making over a certain amount are probably going to have to pay a little more. After all…if no deal is made…Clinton tax rates will hit ALL of us. It is time to take the least bad option here folks. And yes, that does mean compromise. (gasp.)

    • stuckinmass
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:03 am | Permalink | Reply

      I tend to agree.. With social issues take a popular stand. Most people want legal abortions, but not unrestricted abortions.
      Judging from the Dems I know, they voted social issues. I really thought the economy would trump that.

      Immigration– I see that as an issue that could realign the country. I know very liberal democrats who want to curb immigration too and favor English only laws (and voter ID for that matter). And maybe it will. The Liberal V Conservative paradigm that has dominated our politics for the last 40 years or so will likely give way to something else at some point.

      • Stephen
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:10 am | Permalink

        This is one lost election. But a learning opportunity. IF we take advantage of this moment and learn from it we can win again. If we retrench and try to stay fiscally and socially conservative while simultaneously pissing off hispanics we will be a long term minority party.

      • stuckinmass
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:29 am | Permalink

        if it’s true that the evangelicals sat this out, then we need to stop pandering to them. it’s not like they have anywhere else to go.. Let’s capture the people affected badly by Obama’s policies

  35. stuckinmass
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 9:35 am | Permalink | Reply

    How did we get to be so wrong?

    It wasn’t just us- the Romney campaign seemed to believe it was going to win. The Obama campaign acted like it was going to lose.
    My Dem friends were in panic last night, fearing they lost while we were confident we won
    The markets started pushing up republican-favoring stocks too.

    I mean, yeah the D+ polls. But for me that’s not enough. I’m not one to EVER be confident in the Republican’s chances, yet this time, strangely, I really felt like it was in the bag

  36. John
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 9:35 am | Permalink | Reply

    Nearly 15,000,000 FEWER votes were cast in this election than in 2008. Reports of excess turnout yesterday were mostly bogus, nothing beyond the norm an far below four years ago. Republicans did not vote but Dems did breaking historical trends. It appears the Evangelicals did not vote, at least in the key swing states. Racial bigotry is unaccepted in America but religious bigotry is just fine. Now they get what they deserve by not voting for a Mormon. Very sad.

    • stuckinmass
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 9:38 am | Permalink | Reply


      yes, America has no problem voting for a black.

      But help you if you aren’t a Protestant! Even Catholics don’t win unless they are JFK. Jew? Athiest? something else? Forget it!

    • petep
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:19 am | Permalink | Reply

      One month of preaching that it is ok to vote for a Mormon could not overcome 30 years of regular preaching that Mormons are the devil. It was a Bradley effect come to life. Religious bigotry is still ok in America.

  37. Posted November 7, 2012 at 9:47 am | Permalink | Reply

    I don’t expect GOPers to change their all their views, although attitudes to Hispanics will have to, but you need to stop creating alternative realities. All over on conservative websites I read versions of “how could this happen, we were so sure of victory”. This was delusional from the start. Polls and fundamentals have been pointing at an Obama win for months. Sandy was not the issue.

    I hope you guys stop relying on Barone, and Rasmussen, and Rove and Rush. They are clueless.

    • Posted November 7, 2012 at 9:49 am | Permalink | Reply

      You’re coming across a bit silly now.

      • Posted November 7, 2012 at 9:53 am | Permalink

        No, I’ve been telling you for weeks this whole party ID exercise was nonsense, the poll averages work well. It wasn’t just this website, it was the whole conservative world that fell to this delusion.

        Read this, from a conservative:

      • William Jefferson Jr.
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

        Peter, in case you haven’t noticed the threads have moved on from polling and questions about party ID. Are you a pollster by chance? You keep bringing this up.

    • Stephen
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 9:58 am | Permalink | Reply

      To be fair…Rasmussen said he had “no idea” what was going to happen. And that he couldn’t get a read on the electorate. And…lets face it…it WAS close nationally and it the battlegrounds. But it was a decisive win for Obama. The days of winning elections without getting hispanics to at least split have past. Demographics is the rule now and going forward.

      • Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:02 am | Permalink

        Stephen, don’t do that. Rasmussen was bad, and PPP turned out to be pretty good.

        The will be new elections soon, we need to separate the good pollsters from the bad ones.

    • John
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:00 am | Permalink | Reply


      The reason Romney lost was due to religious bigotry and because the estimate for which he got so excoriated that 47% of the nation is suckling from the government teat or counting on Uncle Sam to provide free stuff for them was too low. It is at least 50% which means the U.S.A is past the point of no return. We can never go back now to a self-reliant, self-determination society based on principles of self-accomplishment and self-accountability. We have become Europe socially much faster than I thought possible. Financially we will accelerate toward their sorry state of affairs and be worse than Greece within 10 years. No polls needed to tell us these things.

      • bks
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:14 am | Permalink

        No, he lost because the demographics of the GOP do not match the demographics of the USA. Nate Silver and Sam Wang had this nailed in August, before the conventions, before the debates, before Sandy. The GOP is going to have to dump the racists and the religious whackjobs if they want to regain the majority.


    • Shane kovac
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:14 am | Permalink | Reply

      Total miscalculation of the electorate. Dems and polls were dead on. Romney and others I think banked on that the white vote that had dropped only about 1.5 per cycle dropped from 79 > 75 in 2008 would recover and stay at 75 to be more in line with the norm. It did not that 2-3 points is basically the spread of the popular vote.

      Whites continue to stay home we got it WAY WAY WRONG, period

      Cities are still democrat bastions with scores of available voters. The suburbs and majority of the landmass of America Republican but with obviously either fewer or at least depressed unenthusiastic voters

  38. Dane Baker
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:04 am | Permalink | Reply

    Congrats Prez O. God damn America for which it stands.

  39. Dave
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:13 am | Permalink | Reply

    Nice vote of confidence in markets in second Obama term Dow -200+

    • John
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:18 am | Permalink | Reply

      Time for our GREAT LEADER to demonstrate the exquisite leadership skills he did for Sandy (2 days of photo-ops in NJ and Situation room) which an unbelievable 40% of the voters said contributed at least in part to their vote for him. Obama needs to address the nation within a week detailing HIS plan to the nation for avoiding the fiscal cliff. What are the Intrade odds on that happening?

    • David Weed
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 5:14 pm | Permalink | Reply

      More lies. Here’s the real reason stocks are down today:

      “… they went into free fall after market killer Mario Draghi said Europe was in even worse shape than anticipated…”

  40. jeff
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:18 am | Permalink | Reply

    Im a

  41. Pa John
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 10:23 am | Permalink | Reply

    I commiserate with all who are Tuesday morning QB ing the big loss last night. I believed last night was the last chance ever for a Rep to be elected president. Changing demographics and the women’s dependency movement (less fab4girl) will insure this. Many are saying the message wasn’t communicated properly etc. The fact is the only message the majority understood was what could I get for free. When you offer more handouts than the other team you win.

  42. tmcvei
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:11 am | Permalink | Reply

    The big issue that will face us almost immediately is the tax issue. Obama has it right … tax revenues have to go up. The extreme right wing house will demand that taxes are not raised a dime. This was and is THE single biggest problem that has created the big divide. Obama will not and should not cave on that issue. It will become clearer and clearer that to dig out of the deficit we have to raise tax rates (not corporate) and cut military expenses AND cut discretionary expenses. Obama has been willing to do all three and Romney was only willing to do one. I laugh when I hear Rs say that Obama had no plan and Romney had a plan. Romney’s 5 point plan was nothing but 5 goals … not a single detail. Obama wanted to raise tax revenues via tax rate increases by a specific amount. he wanted to cut military by 2 trillion (over 10 years). He presented a plan to Bohner to cut expenses by 4 trillion that was rejected because the right would not raise taxes by a dime. Give me a break!!

    • Stephen
      Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:20 am | Permalink | Reply

      Obama is right and right. The biggest driver of the debt and the deficit are medicare/medicaid and social security. That is roughly 40% of the budget. For any long term deal to make a hill of beans worth of difference a long term solution on these programs needs to be worked out. What this means? Older ages and means testing. Or some other way to reduce spending here long term.

      • Stephen
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:21 am | Permalink

        right and WRONG (not right again) D’OH!!!

      • Pa John
        Posted November 7, 2012 at 11:36 am | Permalink

        Stephen…if he’s right then that means rationing. There’s no other way to reduce costs in the absence of competition. He’s already politicizing this by including handouts such as free birth control, coverage until 26, etc to insure more votes from favored voting blocks.

  43. GLENN
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 1:33 pm | Permalink | Reply


  44. GLENN
    Posted November 7, 2012 at 4:51 pm | Permalink | Reply

    I work for a company in Louisiana with 800 employees. Even though Louisiana overwhelmingly voted for Romney, our owner just announced to all of us that our company immediately has a “hiring freeze”, and all current employees will receive a 10% cut in pay effective January 1st.

    Thanks a lot Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania, Colorado, and Virginia!!! I will be praying that even worse measures are headed your way very soon. I don’t want to hear how terrible that sounds, or how cruel and un-Christian that sounds……. At least when it happens in those states, it will be a self-inflicted wound.


  45. Wendy
    Posted November 10, 2012 at 5:59 pm | Permalink | Reply

    First, Keith, thank you for your most gracious statement. That’s what we all should be doing…we should recognize that the majoirty of the people chose Barack Obama as our President, and accept the fact that he’s the President for all people, not just Democrats, not just blacks, or women or the young, but for everyone. If we take the position that we are willing to work with him and work with Congress, we should be able to get something we’re all happy about. Negotiation is the BASIS for our form of government. I was so very disappointed in some of the Republican Congressmen, who were adamant about not working together. That’s what they were sent to DC to do. They sure weren’t sent to sit behind closed doors and act like children, stomping their feet saying if I can’t have it MY WAY, we won’t have it at all. Absolutely reprehensible. I remember once my sister, who was and is a terror, and I were playing with a calendar my Daddy brought home from work. We were about 4 or 5. I was looking through the calendar and she snatched it out of my hands. Of course we started to fight over it, but then I suggested that we look at it together. Sit there and turn the pages and look at it TOGETHER. She said fine, but demanded that SHE hold it. I said fine. She yanked that calendar out of my hands, and began to tear it to shreds. She said if she couldn’t have it NO ONE WOULD. Now tihis was the actions of a 4 year old spoiled brat. That’s just what Congress reminded me of the last few years. Lets all grow up, work together negotiating and come up with something that’ll work for the vast majority of the people. That’s the only way we’ll survive as a nation!

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