Revenge Or Love Of Country

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  1. Interested Party
    Posted November 3, 2012 at 10:12 am | Permalink | Reply

    Just looked at the near final EV stats on the EV Project website, and compared 2008 to 2012. Ds are running between 3-8+% behind in every swing state that tracks by party. Looks like the electorate is more 2004-2010 than 2008. Looks like if this holds R will win comfortably, just like Gallup and Goeas seem to think. Wow. It really looks like the good guys are going to win it. Wow.

    • Interested Party
      Posted November 3, 2012 at 10:13 am | Permalink | Reply

      I meant 3-8+% behind their 2008 showing, just to be clear.

    • Tedley
      Posted November 3, 2012 at 10:30 am | Permalink | Reply

      I work in Columbus and live near Cincinnati. Yeaterday I drove by Bamster’s ralley near Columbus – the second most D place in Ohio – and POTUS drew about 2500 people. (I know the reports said 2800, but I was there.) Our soon to be president drew about 35,000 a few miles from my house in Butler County. While Butler county is about as Red as any in the country, those 35,000 weren’t in a stadium, they were in a field. They waited for hours. It was cold. They were hot. I’m telling you, it’s not just in the numbers that Keith has so effectivle illuminated in this blog – it’s in the air. Mitt wins Ohio by 5.

      • Freddie
        Posted November 3, 2012 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

        I wonder how many Obama supporters were from the local unions. Was this during a work day? They probably got time off and pay to show up.

        This whole vote for revenge stuff, Bill Maher threatening violence against white Romney voters and O voters threatening riots is sickening.

        I think this revenge line will hurt Obama.

  2. Hoyt Smith
    Posted November 3, 2012 at 10:12 am | Permalink | Reply

    That gave me chills…… awesome.

  3. Neil in NC
    Posted November 3, 2012 at 10:16 am | Permalink | Reply

    Great commercial

  4. M&N
    Posted November 3, 2012 at 10:17 am | Permalink | Reply

    Great rebuttal…true leadership qualities

  5. Flowersfriend
    Posted November 3, 2012 at 10:22 am | Permalink | Reply

    Clearly there is a distinction in character between the two candidates.

  6. No Tribe
    Posted November 3, 2012 at 10:26 am | Permalink | Reply

    Awesome. Just awesome. Run that one EVERYWHERE.

  7. Posted November 3, 2012 at 10:29 am | Permalink | Reply

    I would run that in every swing state till election day. This will be the most effective romney add there is out there. Obama seemed just hateful and nasty.

  8. Brad
    Posted November 3, 2012 at 10:48 am | Permalink | Reply

    Meh. Republicans have been chomping at the bit to “take revenge” on the President at the ballot box since 2008…so it’s like we don’t feel the same about voting.

    • Ken in Bama
      Posted November 3, 2012 at 10:50 am | Permalink | Reply

      True, but our candidate doesn’t say it that way. Comes off as petty and arrogant. Is O still trying to shore up his base in Ohio or win Independents?

      • Ron
        Posted November 3, 2012 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

        Good point. Obama’s speech is unsophisticated, often crude. He seems to be desperate to rev up the college kids but he’s just not cool anymore. In fact he’s pretty boring.

    • Brad
      Posted November 3, 2012 at 10:55 am | Permalink | Reply

      Yeah, but does soft pedaling our hypocrisy any less hypocritical? Anyway, no big deal…either way you look at it.

      • Ken in Bama
        Posted November 3, 2012 at 11:19 am | Permalink

        Well, it makes sense to air it if you are after turnout and winning Indy’s…..but I agree with you, we have a lot of people voting just to get Obama out. But at least it sounds Presidential and that plays to both his base and the Indy’s.

      • Bob San Diego
        Posted November 3, 2012 at 11:21 am | Permalink

        It’s not revenge.

        It’s voting for someone you think is going do better than the guy that’s in there.

        It’s an entirely different mindset.

      • Bob San Diego
        Posted November 3, 2012 at 11:26 am | Permalink

        Even if you re voting just because you don’t like Obama, it’s still not “I’m gonna get that guy,” unless that is the way you think.

        Even firing someone isn’t “revenge.”

        Revenge implies some type of punishment.

    • Joe
      Posted November 3, 2012 at 11:47 am | Permalink | Reply

      False equivalence, as well as just false. If I were voting out of revenge, it would be revenge for the evil actions o actually perpetrated during its presidency.

      But with Gov. Romney, just what is it that he did that needs avenging? Daring to run against the 0ne? Pointing out the failures of chump in the White House? It isn’t Gov. Romney who has been president these last four years. There is nothing to avenge, other than his challenge to the current occupant.

      However, even so, as much as I loathe the policies of the present regime, I’m not voting out of revenge. I’m voting to SAVE MY COUNTRY from four more years of the worst president ever.

      Maybe YOU’RE voting out of a misguided desire for revenge, but perhaps that should give you cause to examine yourself rather than to project out onto others.

    • Ron
      Posted November 3, 2012 at 4:08 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Doesn’t matter what your private motivations are, it’s the public expression that matters. There should be a level of discourse between our candidates that is high-minded and mutually respectful. If we fail at even that, then we might, indeed, begin to see riots in our streets after an election. There’s a responsibility to speak and act decently that goes with high office.

  9. Ken in Bama
    Posted November 3, 2012 at 10:49 am | Permalink | Reply

    Great line. I was watching on C-SPAN last night and I cheered when he said it. I thought his best line was in the 1st debate: “I have been in business 25 years and I don’t know what you are talking about” but this one is even better.

  10. nvClark
    Posted November 3, 2012 at 10:50 am | Permalink | Reply

    Wow! What an awesome ad! I was watching MSNBC yesterday as a kind of opposition research and Chris Matthews showed some statistics that claimed both campaigns are going negative in the closing week, He said Obama was something like 85% negative (I don’t remember what the actual number was but you get the idea) and Romney was at like 100%. I’m sure he would call this a negative ad and maybe other people would too simply because it attacks the other guy. But when have you ever heard someone use the phrase “love of country” lately? Oh, I know, all politicians say “America is great” or, more often, make statements about how great Americans are. But everything is so selfish and self centered that what they are really saying is that you should love yourself, care about yourself, vote for yourself (if I have to hear one more Dem partisan rail about how they don’t understand why people would vote against their own “self interest” as if everyone should be voting in order to get the most free stuff they can then I think I’m going to vomit). But when have you heard anyone say lately, “do it for the principal”, “do it for the common good”, “do it for your love of something greater than yourself” (for your country). No matter how they portray it I don’t think this is a negative ad at all. In fact I think it’s one of the most inspiring ads I’ve heard in a long time.

    • Ken in Bama
      Posted November 3, 2012 at 10:52 am | Permalink | Reply

      Don’t ask what your country can so for you…..

      • Ken in Bama
        Posted November 3, 2012 at 10:52 am | Permalink

        *do*….great ad.

      • nvClark
        Posted November 3, 2012 at 11:05 am | Permalink

        Exactly! but that quote is from 1961, how long has it been since then you feel that such a message was clearly expressed? If I’ve missed someone actually saying it then it’s at least partly because of the rancor, division, and general attitudes of “what’s in it for me and my demographic” that seems to be tearing this country apart and drowning everything else out. That one phrase “love of country”, and Romney having the idealism and optimism to actually use it the way he did in that ad would get me to vote for him if I wasn’t already onboard. I’m not naive, I know he’s getting political capital from it and that’s partly why he said it, but I think he should get political capital from that kind of message. I think that kind of message deserves political support.

      • Tedley
        Posted November 3, 2012 at 11:07 am | Permalink

        If you think about it, Reagan said stuff like that all the time. It’s why the libs hated him so much. They really do hate the country and want to take revenge on all of us morons who think America is great.

  11. Bob San Diego
    Posted November 3, 2012 at 10:55 am | Permalink | Reply

    It’s only a negative ad if you think revenge is a good reason to vote.

  12. Patrick M
    Posted November 3, 2012 at 11:01 am | Permalink | Reply

    That is an amazing ad. I agree… run it everywhere. Pretty powerful. Honestly, that sounded more like Reagan than anything I’ve heard in a long time. Mitt sure has converted this doubting Thomas.

  13. Patrick M
    Posted November 3, 2012 at 11:04 am | Permalink | Reply

    BTW, Keith, been lurking here since the early days. Finally had the urge to post, and wanted to tell you that you’re the closest thing to Jay Cost’s HorseRace blog I’ve seen since 04.

    • Posted November 3, 2012 at 11:08 am | Permalink | Reply

      That’s nice of you to say. It’s been a lot of fun. Thank you

      • sr
        Posted November 3, 2012 at 11:32 am | Permalink

        Keith, I am going to have withdrawal symptoms after the elections. any ideas of keeping this blog going?

  14. Posted November 3, 2012 at 11:33 am | Permalink | Reply

    “Revenge is mine — sayeth the Lord…… and Obama.” For us mere mortals, retributive justice is licit — restoring the balance of justice in the land. We ought not take pleasure in the punishment of others, but we can rejoice in seeing justice restored to the land.

  15. Bob San Diego
    Posted November 3, 2012 at 11:37 am | Permalink | Reply

    i guess I just don’t see how voting “for” someone or even “against” someone is punitive.

    • Posted November 3, 2012 at 11:52 am | Permalink | Reply

      Voting is not punitive as such. But having a motive of revenge, as Obama suggests, makes the act of voting an act of revenge. We need to vote against Obama, not as an act of revenge, but in order to restore the balance of justice in America, since he and his administration have misused and perverted the proper function of government and of justice for four long years.

  16. Kardinal11
    Posted November 3, 2012 at 11:42 am | Permalink | Reply

    This ad needs to be carpet bombed in the swing states, particularly Wisconsin where nasty rhetoric like Obamas really backfires.

  17. Posted November 3, 2012 at 11:43 am | Permalink | Reply

    Fox just reported last day of early voting in FL there and lines 4 hrs long. Did not say where they were.

    • Tedley
      Posted November 3, 2012 at 11:59 am | Permalink | Reply

      They were in Dade County this morning

      • Freddie
        Posted November 3, 2012 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

        Obama should probably lose Dade. It is always pretty close there. He will barely win Broward & Palm Beach counties which are the most liberal in the state. Broward is more liberal. Wasserman-Schultz district is S Broward and NE Dade is very liberal and she may lose.

  18. Kyle
    Posted November 3, 2012 at 2:20 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Ignore the state poll averages. Just look at the 2008 final RCP state averages. Many of them are wildly inaccurate

    Colorado final average poll results were 3 points off
    Iowa final average poll results were 6 points off
    Michigan final average poll results were 3 points off
    Nevada final average poll results were 5.9 points off
    New Mexico final average poll results were 7.4 points off
    Pennsylvania final average poll results were 3.1 points off
    Wisconsin final average poll results were 2.9 points off

    There’s very little point in studying the state level polls. The sample sizes are too small.

    • Ron
      Posted November 3, 2012 at 4:16 pm | Permalink | Reply

      The problem is that national pollsters don’t know the states they poll. That’s why we should pay attention to a poll like Susquehanna that has Romney up in PA by 4. They know the state and the strengths and weaknesses of each county.

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