MSNBC Undecided Voter Panel Leans More Toward Romney After Debate


  1. jvnvch
    Posted October 17, 2012 at 9:15 am | Permalink | Reply

    Frank Luntz’s undecided panel was much more strongly in favor of Romney after watching the second debate. Many of them decided to vote for Romney. Only a few decided to vote for the president.

    • Posted October 17, 2012 at 9:32 am | Permalink | Reply

      Yea, but I have to be honest with you, I really don’t think they were undecided voters any more than I thought the questioners in the debate were undecided voters. If Luntz’s panel was full of Undecided voters than the race is already over. And I mean that. If this debate really flipped that many people that decisively as showed up in the Luntz panel than that first debate was an irreversible structural shift in the electorate that Obama cannot recover from. I say that because the second debate was no more than a “meh” performance for either candidate. Strong opinions from a panel like that, if true, are simply the resolution of opinions really determined after the first debate but not yet fully formed. I wish that were true but I don’t think it is.

      • jvnvch
        Posted October 17, 2012 at 9:40 am | Permalink

        In my opinion President Obama had the chance to undo the damage from the first debate, in the minds of some, and he failed to do so. I think that was it for some of those undecideds. They gave him two chances to convince them the next four years would be better under his presidency than the last four, and I think many of them thought two chances were enough. No more waiting.

      • Medicine Men
        Posted October 17, 2012 at 9:43 am | Permalink


      • Posted October 17, 2012 at 9:47 am | Permalink

        I think in many ways the race is over barring a major issue springing up with Romney. Waves break against a bad incumbent at the end of the election when people finally make a decision. I’d also argue that at least 10% of Obama’s support is soft and half of them may break the other way when they have to fill out their ballot. The first debate prevented Romney from being caricatured and that helped him. This debate did not change that and, in many ways, strengthened Romney because it showed that he is an alpha. He told the President to sit down and he did. He indicted the President on his record effectively – and that will cause a sway.

        And don’t discount how Romney laid out all the unkept promises and how they have been broken. Basically he politely said that you can’t believe anything he promises you. That would invalidate a second term agenda too since he didn’t keep the first.

  2. No Tribe
    Posted October 17, 2012 at 10:50 am | Permalink | Reply

    Wow, that was pretty good seeing that on MSNBC.

    ‘I like Obama as a person, I don’t like the job hes done over the past four years… I don’t know about Romney, but does have a good track record.”

    That about sums up the argument. Great place for Romney to have winded up. Obama left MA Gov record completely untouched in his attacks pretty much.

  3. Posted October 17, 2012 at 1:56 pm | Permalink | Reply

    This debate was Obama’s last chance to look into the camera, talk to the American people directly and say….I know the last four years have been tough, I have worked hard for you and we have made progress. Here is specifically how my next years are going to be different, going to be better…#1,2,3,4,5, etc

    Next week is foreign policy, it will be watched but it is not nearly as big of an issue as it has been the last 12 years.

    I truly believe this race comes down to HOW did the majority of Americans feel about that debate and what both sides had to say. WHAT were their take away messages, ideas, plans, vision, etc. That will be where it goes. I firmly believe if the polls start to show toward the end of the week a move toward Obama, it is over. And I think if the polls start to tick up for Romey, it is over.

    Romney did the job in the first debate….the second debate it was more of the same but against an awake Obama. Obama failed in the first miserably…second he came back. But reading the poll internals and seeing the way some of the left wing papers, blogs, magazines etc are trying to spin this as some sort of Grand Slam for Obama, tells me (I HOPE) that people like Obama, they trust Obama, but his record is his record and he has failed to say how the next four would be different.

    My trying hard to be objective take away was: Romney: stiff and odd, but he GETS the economy. He understands the economy and jobs are #1. Nothing else matters unless those not working are working…when that happens then we look at the nice to haves (green energy, changes to education, medicare, etc). Social issues are important, but America has to get th engine running before we can even begin to start mapping our our road trip.

    Obama: I am a likeable guy. You trusted me 4 years ago. You know the last four years have sucked hard. Things are not where they should be. I am going to double down on bailouts for failing industries, I am going to double down on failed green energy jobs, I am going to do nothing to help with gas prioces, food prices, energy prices, etc…all that will be fixed in 20 years when we get green energy going and we are oil free. BTW this other guy sucks hard, TRUST ME.

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: Logo

You are commenting using your account. Log Out /  Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out /  Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out /  Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out /  Change )


Connecting to %s

%d bloggers like this: